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Group activities - the view in Gradebook
 

Hi all,

I'm aware there have been many  discussions in the past regarding how activities that have been seperated by group appear in the gradebook. Could I please sanity check what I'm seeing and make sure that there is nothing else I can do to improve the situation.

The problem: From a teachers view all the grouped activities within a course will show in the grader report and the user report even if they choose to view users in separate groups? So student X in group 1 will have group 2-only activities listed in their user report? In fact they will have all the activities in the course listed in their user report? That doesn't seem to make sense as it must lead to huge, long user reports containing information that isn't needed for a student. Have I missed a setting or a tickbox somewhere?

A simple pic to illustrate - course has 2 groups, one assignment for each group.

Overview of gradebook and group issueMany thanks,

Nick

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Re: Group activities - the view in Gradebook
 

So, in summary what a teacher of a group would like to see is when they filter by group in the Grader report or the User Report that just the activities assigned to the group are shown.

This would seem far preferable to wading through columns and rows of activities that were never assigned to that group or student? Again, perhaps I've missed a setting somewhere to make a group's activities and grades show in isolation?  

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Re: Group activities - the view in Gradebook
 

I have found the partial solution to this so posting this for others who want to restrict view of activities by group in the User Report.

Solution here https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=226753&parent=984653

1. Add the teacher to the group.

2. Within the course restrict the capability of the teacher role to access groups.

3. Force separate groups in course settings.

In addition to the user report they don't see the other group's activities in the main course either. So a teacher's view of the course is dependent on which group they are in which could be handy in large courses with multiple teachers adding their own activities.

 

It doesn't work for the Grader Report which is a real pity. The Grader Report still persists to show all the graded activities to teachers even though teachers are restricted to see only their groups activities? sad If anyone has the solution to this please let me know.

Grader report

 

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Re: Group activities - the view in Gradebook
 

This thread also captures the problem (more succinctly than I've been) - that the Grader Report cannot filter by groups:

https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=192546

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Re: Group activities - the view in Gradebook
 

Have raised a tracker issue for this https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-40367

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Re: Group activities - the view in Gradebook
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Have just added the filter grades by grouping feature to the LAE Grader report, available in the Plugins page.

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Re: Group activities - the view in Gradebook
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It can filter by groups, just doesn't.  This is near the top of my TODO list on the LAE Grader.  Don't really think its gonna be all that tough.

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Re: Group activities - the view in Gradebook
 

This really needs to be fixed in my opinion. How do folk cope using the Gradebook with groups? Please vote for the Tracker entry https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-40367

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Re: Group activities - the view in Gradebook
 

Apologies, I've noticed that a related tracker for this is was recently fixed (https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-21415) and is rolling out with 2.6. Fingers crossed it does the job.

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Re: Group activities - the view in Gradebook
 

Just taken a look at this with some anticipation in the 2.6 beta. It's great that the Gradebook now filters students by group. Have I missed something though? It still doesn't filter the activities assigned to groups! As a teacher of group 1 I do not wish to see all the other grade-able activities in the course. There could be hundreds of them that are not relevant to the selected group.

If anyone with a more in-depth knowledge of the Gradebook's configuration can prove me otherwise in the 2.6 beta I'd be grateful.

Not filtering activities when the group filter is being used just doesn't seem to make sense to me and they take up precious screen estate in already crowded user area of Moodle.

This filtering is really needed in my opinion to make group activities and tracking them a feasible prospect, as requested in https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-40367, otherwise the Gradebook remains a huge horizontal scrolling exercise still.

 

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Re: Group activities - the view in Gradebook
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2.5 code indicated somebody had taken a whack at it but it didn't work and I believe the code was commented out.