Iron Browser

Iron Browser

by Sam Thing -
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I've been using Iron from SRWare (http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php) which is based based on Chromium source and I'm very impressed. It's chrome without the downsides of Google.

Has anyone any experience of using/rolling Iron out accross an institution or network? As we're using IE8 still and Moodle runs like a dog in it, I'd like to push for Iron as our default browser, in part to gain the performance upgrade but also to stop people moaning about how slow Moodle is to me :P

 

Cheers, Sam.

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Re: Iron Browser

by Matt Bury -
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Hi Sam,

I haven't heard of this before. I've seen the comparisons to Crome browser. Is it different to Chromium browser? Although, I use a 3rd party build of Chromium as Google don't seem to do an official build.

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Re: Iron Browser

by Sam Thing -

Hi Matt.

Iron seems to have been around almost as long as chrome but now I've been reading around the subject it looks like it's initial releases were a bit amateurly done.

Where do you get your build of chromium from? I'm not sure I could pursuade our IT unit to do our own build after reading what's involved but I might be able to sell a 3rd party build - which is why I was interested in Iron in the first place.

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by Matt Bury -
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Hi Sam,

The build I use is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/crupdater/ which includes automatic updates.

There's also a portable Cromium build available: http://sourceforge.net/projects/crportable/

The usual giveaway that a browser doesn't respect users' privacy is that they include proprietary features, e.g. "Safe Browsing" in Firefox which is Google's proprietary protocol, and search suggestions in the browser address and/or search bar(s). Those are usually commercial services that are used to harvest users' search and browsing histories and sell the data on to 3rd parties.

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Re: Iron Browser

by Sam Thing -

Hi Matt.

I was about to give up on the portable as it wouldn't run on XP; which we have at work and which started me looking for an alternative to IE8 in the firstplace.

BUT: There's an update thqat fixes this problem:

http://crportable.sourceforge.net/services/download/26.0.1410.12/

and I am posting this from portable chromium now.

Cheers, Sam.

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Re: Iron Browser

by Matt Bury -
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Cool!

If you're really concerned about privacy, you could try: https://www.torproject.org/ They do a portable version. It's interesting to use it and see how many so called free sites and services are not actually free, you just pay with your personal data instead of money... kind of like barter.

Is the internet taking us back into the middle ages with all this barter, bandits, fiefdoms, and robber barons? Are surfers the new serfs? Should we be called serfers?

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Re: Iron Browser

by Sam Thing -

I'm sticking with portable firefox for myself ;)

It doesn't automatically use the networks proxy like chromium based browsers (which makes them a good candidate for network rollout) and allows me more flexibility on network logins - good for testing.

Portable Firefox will also run off a network drive whereas chromium browsers wont or will but reports unresponsive script errors.

For privacy I use firefox with https://adblockplus.org/ and https://www.ghostery.com/ extensions.

I've also ditched Gmail for Lavabit.com, Google search for https://duckduckgo.com/ and will be installing http://www.cyanogenmod.org/ on my smartphone in the near future. I'll have another look at Tor. It'll be interesting to see what adblock and ghostery miss out. 

That's a good start for me but  there's no way I'd try and sell all that lot to our Technical unit.  I'll see where we go with Chromium or Iron (or Chrome if we really have to as long as we can move on from IE8.) If I can go someway to stopping our user's becoming indentured serfs then all the better.

Cheers, Sam.

 

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Re: Iron Browser

by Matt Bury -
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I use DuckDuckGo too.

Anyone who's interested in changing their default search provider, i.e. when you type searches directly into the URL address bar, you can do this:

  1. Type about:config in the URL address bar
  2. Click through all the warnings, like "Here be dragons!"
  3. A long list of parameters comes up with a search bar on top. Type keyword.URL into the search bar.
  4. On the value column of the keyword.URL row type or paste https://duckduckgo.com/?q=
  5. Click on Ok... done!

Now, whenever you type keyword searches on the URL address bar, it'll send the query to DuckDuckGo instead of Google.

"Privacy protectors" like Ghostery and Abine only do things like delete cookies after sessions and ask search engines to "play nice". They don't really enforce much privacy and are close to ineffective since search giants like Google have 50+ different ways of identifying your computer and therefore keeping track of your browsing histories across multiple sites.

I haven't tried AdBlockPlus but I do use NoScript (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/?src=ss ) which is a Javascript "whitelist" filter that prevents Javascript from running from any site at anytime unless you give it specific permission to do so either on a permanent/persistent basis, or on a temporary session basis. This'll stop any Javascript based tracking but won't stop tracking via invisible GIF tracker images, IP address, Flash Local Shared Objects (LSOs), or session cookies. The best thing about NoScript is that it'll stop almost all (all?) "drive by attacks" which are one of the most common sources of malware on the web.

You can block LSOs by doing the following:

  • Load any page with a Flash object embedded in it and right clicking it to get the Flash context menu.
  • Select Global settings... > Storage
  • You'll get three options for (dis)allowing sites to store LSOs on your computer

LSOs are mostly useless but if you want to save settings on your favourite video or media sites such as volume, bandwidth, etc., they might be convenient and you can allow them on a site by site basis. On the other hand, they're very effective for storing information about you and tracking you. Google uses them extensively. If you want to see how much sites use them, install the Flash debug player (for developers: https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html) and block all LSOs; You'll get a lot of runtime error messages through the debugger such as SharedObject.flush() failed.

The TORProject is a full-on heavy duty identity cloaking service that effectively anonymises you to everyone, even government agencies, and uses strong 256 bit encryption (AES) on everything sent and received. It's popular among political activitists, investigative journalists, and people who live under oppressive regimes. If you use it with any other plugins, e.g. Flash Player, Java, Quicktime, or Google+'s plugins, they bypass your privacy and expose you to surveillance.

Obviously, it's in all the major web corporations' interest for you not to conceal your identity since that's how they make most of their money. That's why it's so difficult to do and there's not much clear, accurate, honest publicity about it.

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Re: Iron Browser

by Frankie Kam -
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Nice one Sam!

However I did find one 'defect' in Iron as compared to Chrome. If you head over to http://chatbotmaker.com/chat/?bot=1 you will see that in Google Chrome, after a few seconds, a video (MP4 file) window pops up on the right hand-side of the browser. In Iron browser however, the video never appears.

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Re: Iron Browser

by Sam Thing -

Hi Frankie,

From a quick Google search it looks like mp4 format isn't supported in chromium source.  Chrome really is the bees knees isn't it? I just can't square that with the privacy downsides that come with Google.

Turns out Safari is the only other major browser to support mp4 out of the box.

Cheers, Sam.

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by Anil Shanbhag -

Aah well says document not found.

There are quite a few other browsers based on chromium as well like RockMelt & Torch.

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by Matt Bury -
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Hi Sam & Frankie,

MP4 is generally used as the media container for the H.264 CODEC which is proprietary and charges licence fees. It's no wonder that an open source project doesn't support MP4.

I remember that Google tried to make a move on H.264 cornering the CODEC market by freely licensing ("BSD-style" licence) the On2 VP8 CODEC in the WebM media container (On VP6 was the original Flash video that made sites like Youtube possible most have since moved over to H.264). However, Microsoft, Apple, and Adobe don't support it although Adobe have said that they will (we're still waiting).

Audio and video CODECs have always been the sticking point for web standards. HTML5 audio and video tags can't really move forward until this issue is resolved. Youtube highlights some of the problems here: https://www.youtube.com/html5

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by Matt Bury -
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I wondered how the VLC developers get around the H.264 licensing issue. I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X264

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Re: Iron Browser

by Sam Thing -

I'm reliably informed that VLC also allows you to skip adverts in DVD's.

I think it's ironic that only the people who actually pay for content have to put up with anti-piracy messages surprise.

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by Matt Bury -
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Hi Sam,

Yeah, I love free and open source. It allows everyone to participate and encourages cooperation, collaboration, and sharing.

The philosophical difference:

  • Free and open source puts users and developers in control.
  • Proprietary puts corporate accountants and lawyers in control.

Then there's the illusion of independence and innovation of "startup culture": http://nextberlin.eu/2013/04/bruce-sterling-fantasy-prototypes-and-real-disruption/

 Edit: Tried to embed the video as an iframe. Moodle filtred it out.

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Re: Iron Browser

by Sam Thing -

I've found another defect.

Neither Chromium nor Iron load the WYSIWYG editor on 1.9.

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Re: Iron Browser

by Frankie Kam -
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Don't worry Sam! Thomas Edision found 1,000s of defects in his light bulb before he finally got it right! Keep at it at Iron Browser will be as popular and as famous as Ironman.

Frankie wink

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by Matt Bury -
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I don't like it when people say Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb. We had incandescent bulbs of various designs long before Edison started selling his. The design he sold was a significant improvement on others' and they've been improved since. Now fluorescent and LED bulbs are taking over and incandescent bulbs are being phased out because they're so inefficient (basically little heaters that also give off a little bit of light as a byproduct). I also read that Edison bought the patent from a Canadian hotelier/inventor, although I'm not sure how much truth there is in that story... anyway, Edison was famous back in the day for buying patents and marketing products derived from them.

From Wikipedia.org:

"In addressing the question of who invented the incandescent lamp, historians Robert Friedel and Paul Israel[4] list 22 inventors of incandescent lamps prior to Joseph Swan and Thomas Edison. They conclude that Edison's version was able to outstrip the others because of a combination of three factors: an effective incandescent material, a higher vacuum than others were able to achieve (by use of the Sprengel pump) and a high resistance that made power distribution from a centralized source economically viable.

Another historian, Thomas Hughes, has attributed Edison's success to his development of an entire, integrated system of electric lighting.

The lamp was a small component in his system of electric lighting, and no more critical to its effective functioning than the Edison Jumbo generator, the Edison main and feeder, and the parallel-distribution system. Other inventors with generators and incandescent lamps, and with comparable ingenuity and excellence, have long been forgotten because their creators did not preside over their introduction in a system of lighting.
—Historian Thomas P. Hughes[5][6] "

Edison certainly didn't invent motion pictures either but he tried to claim that he did and control the industry: http://www.history.com/news/the-renegade-roots-of-hollywood-studios/

Matthew Inman (AKA The Oatmeal) was no big fan of Edison either: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla

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by Frankie Kam -
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Edison one-ups-manshipping others. Shades of Gary Kindall (CP/M) and Bill Gates (who?). http://www.freeenterpriseland.com/BOOK/KILDALL.html