## Future major features

### Current minor features

Re: Current minor features
Hi Derek

> it reminds me of the old discussion on "One person's critical is another person's trivial".

That's definitely a topic which we should not forget too quickly. But this time it looks like the same trivials have bocome critical for many of us. (see later)

> I have hesitated to talk about minor things in the Major Issues forum, but then I think there is no audience to speak of if I post elsewhere.

I did a web search for "little things" and found that they are in big demand. Yes, I too think we should discuss those things in other places, like this one: http://justlittlethings.net.

> I have several servers I work with, and have just done a test upgrade to 2.4.1. I thought I had done my homework, but there were still things that were gotchas. All tracker items are not the same.

I thought I've heard is somewhere. Of course that was Alice:
First it [Dodo] marked out a race-course, in a sort of circle, (the exact shape doesn't matter,' it said,) and then all the party were placed along the course, here and there. There was no One, two, three, and away,' but they began running when they liked, and left off when they liked, so that it was not easy to know when the race was over. However, when they had been running half an hour or so, and were quite dry again, the Dodo suddenly called out The race is over!' and they all crowded round it, panting, and asking, But who has won?'

> There is the nice summary that Martin pointed to. I'm not sure that the docs thing Mary referred to is as good as it could be.

http://docs.moodle.org/dev/Category:Release_notes is my favourite.

> I know this goes against the trend of Helen's work plan, but I wondered if a forum "Upgrading to 2.4" may help centralise some of the issues, even if they were just references to activity in the other 43 relevant forums.

That will cause unrest. Helen just got rid of the "Window-based Servers" causing heavy losses. If there going to be a new forum, I propose the revival of the Windows-forum.

> This is where tagging of threads would be great.

You mean this suggestion https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=218412#p959133 ?

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Re: Current minor features

> This is where tagging of threads would be great.
You mean this suggestion https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=218412#p959133 ?

No, not the use of subject headings, I mean real tags as in  this request: https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-21416  I think this would benefit a lot for learning as well as Moodle.org.  But I'm more interested in getting ForumNG into the core, then worry about tagging later.

I suspect the question that Helen is facing is unsolvable.  http://www.shirky.com/writings/ontology_overrated.html

How do we classify anything nicely?  I mention this so that anyone does not start to worry about "Whose tags?"

-Derek

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Re: Current minor features
Hi Derek

You wrote:
> I mean real tags as in this request: https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-21416 I think this would benefit a lot for learning as well as Moodle.org.

May be. But the current thinking is that people don't "navigate" these days, they goggle. See "Using Moodle course layout change" https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=221071#p962496.

> http://www.shirky.com/writings/ontology_overrated.html
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> How do we classify anything nicely?

Thanks for reference. Stimulating (for things outside moodle.org). OT in a strict sense.

BTW, you've omited a couple of other points. Not that you must respond, just mentioning in case.

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Re: Current minor features

Funny.  I thought the Shirky article was the most useful part of Derek's post because it captured pretty much everything I hadn't yet articulated for myself about the organizational structure implosions I keep witnessing in forum discussions and tracker discussions and even in my own use-case scenarios. Whether we need to organize a site into course categories or a quiz bank into something useful that can be shared or a course with cohorts or groups or groupings or a list of hundreds of standards that need to be applied in thousands of places from granular quiz questions to whole courses, I'm finding an increasing need to be able to cross-list these different needs and ways of organizing.  Maybe there is no shelf.  I was always a skeptic about the whole tag cloud value, in terms of being able to see for myself beyond the "most users at this point in time are concerned about x" part, but I think now I'm understanding why every librarian I've talked to in the last five years has been so excited about this concept.  They must be able to see, based on their experiences, the potential this would afford over the limitations they've been struggling to overcome for years.

I suppose this is, in a strict sense, not a discussion anymore about where to log minor feature changes and track them for ourselves, but the point made earlier about someone's minor is someone else's major really rang true for my experience.

If nothing else, it made me think, and that is what I love about Moodle.org conversations.  Especially some of the slightly off-topic ones.

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Re: Current minor features

Just to acknowledge your post Lesli.  This article helped me realise it was not me going crazy when at the time we were trying to implement an LMS tagging system with the possbility of official tags and personal tags.  The project foundered when term got underway and we had to work on more prosaic matters.

Tagging + voting is a good combination.

-Derek

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