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iPad and Moodle

 
 
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iPad and Moodle
 

I want to develop an application so that I can display the moodle content for the student on ipad.

No I need help with this:

1. Is there an existing extension which helps me to do that

OR

2. Do I develop my application from scratch in iOS

3. If I have to develop my application in iOS can some one suggest where to start

 
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Picture of Marcus Green
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Do you actually mean an application, as in an "App" as in an application? If so are you familiar with the Objective C programming language? or are you referring to using a browser, particularly in such a way as to do rich text editing?

 
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I have good knowledge and experience in C and C++. I have grasped C Objective.

What I want to do is this:

1. If some of my students want to use ipad I want the application to work on that ie it should display the student resources which in my case are pdf file and video files. I also want the students to be able to login, attempt quiz and view thier results.

2. So I want to modify the user interface for ipad.

3. As I understand I will need to have access to database tables in moodle and write queries in ioS for ipad so that the data gets displayed for the ipad users.

Am I thinking on the right lines

 
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Did you search in iTunes store for Moodle? You can find some apps there.

Student can see the content in Moodle with the browser on ipad. I didn't understand why an app is required.

 
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Tim at Lone Pine Koala Sanctuary
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I think that application already exists. It is called Safari wink

 
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Damn... I was going to say that smile

You need to build your courses so there's no Flash content, of course!
 
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Tim and Howard:

I agree that a regular browser should be all that's needed with an iPad-sized screen, however while Moodle 1.9.10+  is working much better than prior versions with Safari, the keyboard still disappears from time to time. Since many teachers and students are not comfortable switching to text only mode, this is  problematic

Somewhere I found Petr Škoda writing that a change in 1.9.11+ "creates a serious regression for iPad users" and so am hesitant to upgrade. Did I misinterpret Petr? Does 1.91.11 fix the missing keyboard on the iPad?

Thanks for your thoughts,

Lisa

 
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I understand that but I was thinking of giving a custom view for users( students) in ipad

 
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You've taken the wrong turn and got yourself in hot water. There are plenty of web-standards for doing all that. The wise creators of the web have made the knowledge available to everybody, free of charge.

The irony is that those masses are now rallying behind proprietary technologies for "rich experience". I don't know what is rich in these, except that it would make a few richer.
 
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The issue that I have does not relate to "rich content" but to basic functionality on an iPod touch and on iPad 1. I am not able to upload files - submit assignments from either an iPod touch or an iPad 1.

The choose file button is greyed out on any page where uploading is normally possible. Does the file browser use Flash?

I am using Moodle 1.9.7. Would the problem go away with Moodle 2.0.x?

The iPod uses iOS 4.3.3

Is mTouch my only option?

DavidR

 
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You cannot upload from the iPad or iPod because they don't have a browseable file system. The web browser on the platform doesn't support the file object in web pages. in the iPxx world, all files are owned by a specific application. The issue has nothing to do with a lack of Flash support and won't go away in Moodle 2.0.x. In some cases, easy to use also means limited options and functionality.

 
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Thank you Walter, for your response. I would need to have an application like mTouch which would allow this? If a student created a document in an application on their iPad, they could upload it to the moodle server using mTouch?

DavidR

 
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The "file" model on the IPad is that all files are owned by their applications. There are hooks in some applications that let them transfer their files to a different application and I have no idea how this can help you. I have no experience with mTouch and cannot comment on its abilities. I just wanted to make it clear that this is a fundamental design issue with the iPad and would not be fixed if they added support for Flash, which I don't expect to see. Additional discussion on this topic is at http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=172357

 
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Are there no file browser apps for the iPad?  There are several for Android tablets.  Is there a dropbox application for the iPad?  Google Docs?  Both GDocs and dropbox can be enabled in Moodle 2 as repositories.  That may be a possibility???

 
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Jim McDermott
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I have a Moodle site running version 2.0.1+ and I notice that my iPAD fails to display my embedded Google mp3 player. Not sure, but I think that the iPAD browser does not support flash. Maybe the new iPAD2 gets around this issue.

 
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Yeh - it's because the iPad doesn't display Flash.

This is actually a **legendary** issue. Steve Jobs hates Adobe or something (or more likely you can, effectively, write apps in Flash that Apple can't charge you for). I can promise you that it won't be fixed in iPad 2 - or ever.
 
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Steve Jobs is not alone in his dislike of Flash's security and user interface issues.

HTML 5 is supported on the iPad. Perhaps there is something useful here?: http://dee3-blog.blogspot.com/2010/12/googles-mp3-player-with-html5-fallback.html

and here: http://www.youtube.com/html5

 
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The problems with flash support is not limited to movies (flv)  it applies to all content developed for playback using flash. I for one are not looking for to redevelop loads of interactive content just because Mr Jobs has issues with Flash

 
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Jeffrey L. Jones
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Allan:
       I do feel your pain. None of the platform promoters are really interested in the needs of learning (or supporters of learning), they're interested in being the last platform standing. Flash may not be as safe, but tell that to all the non-profits -- universities, museums, even orchestras and art institutes -- who have developed Flash-based content.
      Of course, Apple's decision is compounded by a lot of individual school purchasing decisions -- teachers assuming that iPads are actually computers. That's the big problem. I suspect that an iPad-like interface will be leveraged by "real" computers.  But the "instant-on" and 8-hour battery life of the iPad are possible specifically because there is a long list of things it won't do. It's an attractive and elegant step forward, but it isn't the holy grail...not yet.
       It sounds like Shashi is trying to nudge this rock a little further up the hill, but writing an entire new display interface leveraging the underlying data structure for just the iPad doesn't seem like a good idea. A fair number of the iPad apps (including, I'm guessing, the few Moodle aps I've seen in iTunes, one of which I tried briefly) are just carving up Internet content into bites the iPad can digest. I'd rather see Apple engineers spending their time trying to redesign the device and its OS to deliver existing content, rather than pushing all the deliverers of that content into redesign themselves.

 
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All true but in many ways it's a non-argument. Many people have then (and the iPhone) and therefore need to be accounted for. Often it's as simple as sticking your video on YouTube - not always possible I know.
 
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Animosity aside, one of the arguments against Flash is that it is middleware which means it takes extra power (read as battery consumption) to use it. Not good for long battery life.

You may be able to use an HTML5 player. That might be a simpler solution to get things to work.

I forget how YouTube works on an IPad, but uncovering those details might lead you to a quick solution.

 
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Lot of flash content out there but if anyone wants to get a feel for how much of their time is wasted by flash on websites, try using Chrome (already a speedy browser) with the "Flashblock" extension.  Once you've experienced the speed improvement on loading almost any web page these days, its really hard to justify flash's consumption of resources.

 
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Hi

I agree with you Bob wading through flash ads is a bore, but I have and I suspect others have developed interactive learning materials using Flash, anything from physics, chemical and mechnical engineering simulation etc. I believe and this back up by research has a positive effect on students learning so should we be tossing this out because some people choose to use the tool poorly

 
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Why using Ipad? Android tablets cost only a fraction and Android 2.2 supports flash

 
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Another perfectly reasonable question rendered irrelevant by all the people who actually did buy an iPad wink
 
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Not to mention that only a few Android tablets cost a fraction.
 
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Jeffrey L. Jones
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That would be a legitimate observation, except in the case of educational purchasing where the decisions to buy iPads in bulk is being driven by a bunch of things other than legitimate educational use.

Our Moodle site is used almost exclusively for so-called hybrid instruction, meaning that a lot of the interactive content is being consumed by students using school-based hardware. We have more than one school recently investing in iPads, only to find that they didn't interact with existing content management (including Moodle) as they expected. That's a huge mistake, and one which could have been avoided by listening to some of the observations made here.

iPad advocates use the popularity argument when promoting their own interests, but avoid it when looking at content and resources which are not handled well by iPads. That's why, as an educator, I prefer to talk about pedagogy rather than hardware. Hardware SHOULD be the caboose on that train. All other things being equal, it should not force us to choose one instructional practice over another.

 
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In some respect that is why I started developing in Flash because it could be delivered on multiple platforms- Dealing with distance based education as I do you don't control the hardware that the students are going to use, it can be any from a mac to linux to windows 95/XP etc etc.   In fact some only have dail up for internet connection, but I can put a flash object and a video on a CD/DVD and at least have some assurance that it will work.  I know iPad are the latest piece of kit but I can be pretty sure that more of my students have PlayStation 3 than an iPad may be I should develop for that - believe moodle works quiet well in a PS 3

Allan

 
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I work in an all iPad school. I have been able to do work arounds with my iPads but they are far from ideal. Most worksheets I have the student take screen shots and upload those from their camera roll. I use Forums and Quiz modules all the time and the students are able to use their iPads with little problem. The inability to browse files is a big handicap. 

 

 
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