I would love to find a tool to make classification exercises easily. I have more or less managed do it in Hot Potatoes but it's a lot of work and the result isn't exactly what I want. Here's an example: Pronunciation of the -ed ending - 1 It isn't in Moodle there but it works fine in Moodle too.
Hi everybody !
I think it would be really nice to have more flexibility with HotPot... I would love to have this kind of possibility (kind only ! - that one only works with IE and was designed for a small screen resolution).
There's a little trick to the drag and drop: you have to double click on the word to select it and then drag it. It's a function of the browser - nothing to do with Hot Potatoes - it works in most browsers, I think, with any word.
But the exercise you link to is really great - though I couldn't get to work in Firefox - it kept telling me to download a plugin.
It's exactly that kind of exercise I'd love to be able to make in Moodle. Any clever coders listening?
Yes, I think you're a clever coder but not because you replied to my message - there are plenty of other proofs on these forums.
For me, what you show is a different kind (equally pedagogically valid) of exercise: an ordering exercise. I use WebSequitur for that (part of Martin Holmes' TexToys - cheap but not free - which integrates into Moodle via the Hot Potatoes Module or QuizPort) - in fact I use it in almost every sequence of exercises. I'm sure many people would be delighted to have something similar as part of Quiz.
Classifying into categories for me is something different. The student starts with a jumble of items and has to sort them into 2 or more categories. See the screenshot below of a partially completed exercise at the link Ulrike provided at http://www.clipclass.net/variations_clips_avis3.htm I'd like to know how they did it.
I have another example I created with a free application, Linaeus, Magic "e" but it's overly simple. I'd like something a little more sophisticated.
Yes, that is very much the sort of thing I'm looking for - but is it possible to determine that what is put in right-hand column depends on what has already been put in the left-hand column in the same row? A bit difficult to put into words but I hope the screenshot makes it clear.
|words to move
What do you think?
No, it doesn't matter whether it's vertical or horizontal.
The finished exercise would look like this:
|Words to move:|
or like this:
|Words to move:|
or any other permutation of the columns.
How many rows and columns are realistically possible?
I have an exercise in which 96 words have to be classified into 18 categories presented in a specific way. Doable or not? I've put a screenshot of what the "answer" looks like on paper.
I have others, but I think this is one with the maximum number of items and categories I've thought up... so far.
If the order matters, would it work for you, if the order remains the responsibility of the user, that is, the question allows entering the items in the wrong order but the response will be marked incorrect?
The limit is only an issue for a generic UI for creating such a question.
I'm not sure if I understand your questions.
In the short exercise, what is important is that the learners realise that the final "e" changes the sound of the preceding vowel. It doesn't matter if they do them in the order (mad-made, can-cane, fat-fate, etc.) or (can-cane, fat-fate, mad-made, etc.) or (fat-fate, mad-made, can-cane, etc.) or any other permutation.
"Would it work for you if the order matters but remains the responsibility of the user, that is, the question allows entering the items in the wrong order but the response will be marked incorrect?"
If their first answer is "can" in A then they must put "cane" in B.
If their first answer is "fat" in A then they must put "fate" in B.
Does this answer your questions?
In the long exercise, that kind of pairing is not so important. Logically, they should have done the first exercise before the long one and so have already understood the final "e" rule. It would be sufficient that a word be considered as correct if placed in any positon in the category.
It's just wonderful to have found a coder interested in working on this.
The order can be taken care of by the drop regardless of which item the user drags first. So, for instance, suppose the user d&d 'cane' and only then 'can'. Even if the user drops the 'can' below the 'cane', the drop will place the 'can' above the 'cane'. Does that make sense?
That seems just fine to me.
I'll send it to you privately.
I will attach in return a question import file from which you can import the question into the question bank.
I am so happy that you guys exist! I've been dreaming about this sort of stuff and never thought I'd be capable of building it myself - give me some time to work out how to get a moodle up and running and bumble my way through a few tutorials and help forums, and I'll be here in droves. All power to you!
Glenys, here is a rough version.
The attached zip contains 4 files:
The first file is for importing the question into the question bank. It should import 2 questions. One is a description question which looks empty but actually contains links to the scripts and styles. The other is a cloze question which contains your vowel sounds categories and items.
The othe three files should be uploaded to your site/course files.
After you upload the script and styles files and import the questions you need to edit the description question and adjust the links to those scripts and files. In the description question toggle to html mode and you should see:
<style type="text/css">@import '../../file.php/306/scripts/dd-classification-ff-styles.css';</style>
Replace the red clauses with the path to these files on your site/course.
You can edit the categories table question and add colors, images and what not (I added green background to the first cell for illustration). You can also add, remove or change items. Do not remove the 'Items to move' item.
Add both questions to a quiz and with a bit of luck it will work.
You can also add, remove or change items. Do not remove the 'Items to move' item.
Actually you can only change the text of an item but you can't remove or add any items. And there is no 'Items to move' item so don't worry about that part either.
Your screenshot below looks exactly what I've dreamt of.
But I'm afraid I don't understand where to put each of these files. What do you mean by "site/course files"? I assume you don't mean the Moodle Files area where I upload documents such as videos or Hot Potatoes exercises.
I have a local installation and I know where to find, for example :
Sorry to be wet, but I've never done this kind of thing before.
You can put these files anywhere that is accessible from your Moodle. The Moodle Files area where you upload documents such as videos is probably the most convenient location. If you upload these files to your Site Files area (from the front page) they will be accessible from all your courses and will be easier to link to as they won't be course dependent.
Sorry Itamar, but the hand holding isn't over,
I've put the four files:
in the Moodle Files area.
But maybe I should have put the txt file somewhere else?
"The first file is for importing the question into the question bank. It should import 2 questions. One is a description question which looks empty but actually contains links to the scripts and styles. The other is a cloze question which contains your vowel sounds categories and items." This tells what vowelsounds-question-import.txt does, right? But I don't know what to do with it.
Thank you for your patience.
should go to the Files area.
The vowelsounds-question-import.txt you import.
Add a quiz. Go to edit. Go to Import. Select XML format. Select the category (or leave the default). Clear category checkbox. Browse for the file on your computer and upload. See image.
Slowly getting there.
I've changed your :
</script> <style type="text/css">@import 'C:/xampp/data/moodledata/2/Vowel sounds/DDClassificationFFStyles.css';</style>
But it doesn't work (I see the exercise but I can't drag and drop).
I don't know how to make relative links like yours.
You need the url. Go to the files in the Files area. Right click the file name and select 'copy link location'. This should put the url of the file in the clipboard. Now go back to the script tags and paste the url.
The exercise looks great but the words on the right weren't draggable. I tried in 3 different browsers. Have I misunderstood?
I had the same experience Deborah ?
Hi Deborah and Mary,
Thanks for testing.
Are you on Mac or Windows?
I see that on Mac I can't drag the words when I'm logged in as a guest, but I can when I'm logged in with a student account.
On Windows 7 I can do the exercise on Firefox and Opera even when I'm logged in as a guest, but not on IE 8 or Chrome.
I'm afraid this is a problem for Itamar.
I'm logged in as a guest and clicked Prévisualisation 0n FF and Win7? (and tried also in IE) Should we go to the other forum?
For these technical problems, we should really be on the Quiz module forum, shouldn't we?
I see Itamar is online, let's give him a while to see what he thinks.
I've no idea if it's a two-minute or a two-month problem for a coder.
Well, it's rather a problem for those who use anything I don't.
The drag&drop is by YUI library so it supports any system and browser YUI supports.
The quiz on Glenys' site works for me on a Win XP machine with both Firefox and IE8.
Actually it doesn't work for me either in guest account. It seems an issue with guests access to the included scripts and styles files. Glenys, are you sure it works for you in guest account?
Actually actually, it does work for my guest on IE8 (Win XP) but not on Firefox. This requires some investigation but I'm inclined to think that it is a Moodle issue rather than anything with the exercise.
I am on Windows XP and tried in IE8, FF & Google Chrome. I tried when logged in as a guest and as a student and............ the words on the right weren't draggable.
might work now.
Here is a screenshot of the question in a quiz.
I just came back to this discussion... thank you for that compliment ... I know yes it only works with IE technically it's really bad - that's why this discussion is so interesting !
Such a pity you can't add or remove items, we could have used Itamara's great scripts :D
Cheers and THANK YOU for all your ideas...!
Hi Ulrike and everybody,
Itamar has done more work on the classifying Quiz andI have added content. It functions more as a test than as an exercise at the moment because all the items in a category have to be placed before the category is scored, but it all works correctly thanks to Itamar's brilliant work.
If you'd like to see it, it's here: Vowel sounds and spelling. The course is open to guests and you can see the exercise by clicking on Preview (Prévisualisation in French). But I think we should continue the discussion over in the Lang Teaching forums because it's not Hot Potatoes or Quizport. Of course, Gordon is too nice to toss us out but...
Not working over here yet. Windows XP. Tried on IE8, FF & Google Chrome.