I'm sure this topic with the same question is been before here but I can't find it. ( I searched quite intensive, believe me )
The matter is that my soundfiles in Moodle not appear like they do normally on my website here:
In Moodle the soundfiles don't show up at all.
But the strange thing is that in the file section in Moodle of the very same course they work perfectly. The problem is only in the course.
I did the media plug-in question first with yes and then with no ( how unlikely, but one never knows ) but to no avail.
Has anybody an idea?
Many thanks. Henny.
how are you doing? Looks like you have been hard at work creating a vast library of online educational materials since you were last here
Thanks for the link to your HP exercise. It is an interesting idea to include the sound files in a JMix. From what you say it seems that the HotPot module is not converting the URLs for the player or sound file.
I'm pretty sure you could fix the problem straight away by converting all the absolute URLs to relative URLs. However, that makes the quiz less portable, and anyway the HotPot module is supposed to do that conversion for you, as along as it can recognize where the URLs are.
It would help me to see the quiz in a Moodle context. Could you possibly upload the exercise, the player and the sound files to my server, and set them up as a HotPot activity so I can have a closer look:
- URL: http://bateson.kanazawa-gu.ac.jp/moodle/19/mysql/
- Course: Course Fullname 101
- Username: guestteacher
- Password: quizportv09
P.S. For my reference, the player and sound appear as follows in the source code:
<param name="data" value="hbs_mp3_player3.swf" />
<param name="FlashVars" value="TheSound=frag.03.mp3" />
For a vain person like me it is flattering that you still remeber me immediately.
I was out-placed at my school for 2 years in a location where they didn't have Moodle. It was very annoying.
Now I'm back in my old building and can use a brandnew Moodle.
It is very nice and handy of you to have space in your own Moodle for people like me to put an exercise in. I have done my mix exercise in the course 101 of your Moodle and there the same problem shows up.
I could ask Martin ( Holmes ) about it since it is his player. But in the file section of Moodle it works. So it seems so likely that it has something to do with a plug-in in Moodle.
I hope you can find something. Many thanks beforehand.
Hart. gr. van Henny
your JMix is not a standard JMix. It contains a Michael Rottmeier addon (popups?) which confuses the HotPot module as it tries to locate relative URLs and convert them to absolute URLs.
You can get this quiz to run in Moodle if you run it from the XML file, "mix.01.jmx", instead of the HTML file, mix.01.htm"
Alternatively, you can modify the htm file so that it does not conflict with the HotPot module.
- change this line:
- to this:
Indeed, if you make the above modification to the Rottmeier template on your PC, then any similar quizzes that you make from now on will all be compatible with the HotPot module.
Hartelijke groeten van Gordon
P.S. I would be interested to know which Michael Rottmeier addon you used to get that code into your quiz. Could you send me a link to some more information about it? TIA.
Years ago Michael Rottmeier made a modification for me to get pop-ups in drag and drop Jmix and Jmatch. Since one can have very few questions i8n a d&d Jmatch.
This is one of the results:
http://www.digischool.nl/oefenen/hennyjellema/duits/musik1.htm ( for Micheal German musik, right? )
( this is for elementary school. To compose back Little Red Riding Hood )
The exercise I have Moodle-sound- problems with has nothing to do with it. I simply had forgotten to get back to the normal source code with Jmix. I have done that now and uploaded the exercise again.
( in your Moodle )
Now the soundfiles are visible, but don't give sound. It can't be Martins'player, because I have other exercises with that player in Moodle and it works fine. Only when I use the drag&drop it goes wrong.
What a pity isn't it?
What I noticed is this:
I thought it being practical to show you that Martins'player can work so I uploaded an example to your site:
But it does not.
In my own Moodle it does:
( I have made you a teacher here in this course. )
That is strange, isn't it?
Hart, gr. van Henny.
I feel rather desperate, because I can't think what causes the problem.
I have reset all the modifications and double checked it.
Then I made a SCORM packet with the Masher of it but as you can see in your Moodle I all the time get that black player. Is that the Moodle standard player?
Hart. gr. van Henny
I am pretty sure it is possible to do what you are trying to do. I cannot say exactly why it doesn't work for you in certain situations, because as you know there are many different settings involved.
I have had a quick look at your quizzes on my server and beyond the incompatible Rottmeier modification, I could not see why the sounds did not appear with the standard Moodle player. However, the sounds did play ok for me with the hbs player in Firefox, so I stopped there.
To go further, I suggest you run the quiz from the jmx file. First insert the sound as a Windows Media Player from within the JMix program. Put a sound in the titlte of the quiz too so you can check that it is audible when the quiz is administered via Moodle.
Build up slowly toward you goal and notice when things stop working as you expect.
I will have time to look more closely later this week, but Tue, Wed, Thu are important deadlines for me at work.
It is already very kind to spend time at my troubles, so when you are busy I understand that.
It is an unpaid thing and I always hope that my problems once solved, help also others or give them ideas. Then at least it serves givers and takers.
In the meantime I’m also still at ‘sleutelen’ myself at the sound-matter.
You write about the standard Moodle player. What is the standard Moodle-player? And is it automatically in every Moodle? I remember long time ago there was a thing of macro-media or something like that involved. But I can’t find anything about it in the Moodle, I’m working in now. .
Well anyway, I will be very happy if you can help me later on, but it is not a matter of life&death. So if you can’t find it, well that’s life. “Even goeie vrienden “ would one say in Dutch in that case.
Hart. gr. Van Henny.
Thanks for being willing to send me the modifications. I will write to Michael and ask him either to send them to me or, if not, if he would be happy for you to forward them to me.
I wish I could help with your drag and drop sound problem but I am afraid I am too much of a novice to understand it.
As for Quizport, it is a brilliant creation of Gordon's which makes life much easier for those of us working with Hot Potatoes and Moodle. You can easily incorporate html pages and other stuff into your courses, you can set pre and post conditions to stipulate what score a student needs to get before he is able to move onto the next quiz, or, for example, send him to a particular quiz if he gets a poor score, there are loads of possibilities, and building a course is much more flexible and easy than with the Hotpot module. I am sure that is quite a poor description and there is a lot more which should be said about it. You will need to download it. I am sure Gordon will send you the link to the latest update.
Those popup modifications are really nice! Michael Rottemeier did such clever things with Hot Potatoes didn't he?
Sorry to be totally selfish and un-contributing here but Henny, is there any way you could send a zip of the source files?
On the other hand, Gordon, would they work with Quizport? If not I wouldn't use them. I have just been doing some work on a Hotpot module course (it's Hotpot because Quizport doesn't yet support Jmemory and Jintro) and I realise how MUCH MORE WORK it is than when working with Quizport.
> would they work with Quizport?
They probably would if you made the modification I detailed earlier in this thread.
> it's Hotpot because Quizport doesn't yet support Jmemory and Jintro
OK, I get the hint
Yes happy to be home thank you. England was grey and drizzly!
Thanks for confirming that Henny's modifications would work in Quizport. In that case, I would love to get my hands on a copy of the templates.
Of course Deborah I can send you the modifications. Where do you want them? ( and maybe it would be nice if you inform/ask Michael about it )
My concern is still how to get some sound into ( or should I say out of ) my soundfiles.
This morning I thought it might help if I select the SCORM thing in the configuration part of Hot Potatoes, but to no avail.
Hart. gr. van Henny
P.s. the exercise with my soundfiles don't pedagogally work on my website. Because students ( and then particular the boys ! ) don't listen to the fragments of the story but try to overtake the technical part of it by trial and error to find which is the right sequence. They see it as this street gamble game with one little ball under 3 cups. One has to pay and quess under which cup the little ball is. It is a dangerous gamble, because it looks very simple, but it isn't. I have seen it a lot in east asian countries like Indonesia.
In Moodle I can force them to listen by giving just one or two attemps and to avoid 'balletje-balletje'.
Am I the only user who wants to have drag&drop sound in Moodle?
P.s. 2 By the way, what is quizport? I googled at it, but I did not get a clear hit.
However I tried the yes and no for the plug-in option, it maybe is the solution.
What it can have been is that first Michaels' modification was the reason and later it was the plug-in. But since that didn't seem the problem first I didn't try that again.
I hope I am not cheering too early, but up until now several exercises are doing well.
- Een nieuwe poging is niet meer toegestaan
- No more attempts are allowed
I finally had time to sit down and look at your JMix with audio today.
There were some new things about this quiz that the HotPot module did not know how to deal and this was the cause of the strange behavior that you reported.
You will be pleased to know that I have fixed up the HotPot module to handle you quiz now. You can leave the media players as they are or if you switch "Force media players" to "Yes" then the standard Moodle mp3 player will be inserted. Either way works fine now.
The updated HotPot module will be available in due course (usually a few days) from the Moodle downloads, or if you are in a hurry you can download it immediately from my server:
Well many thanks for you in the first place I would say.
And indeed I'm very happy that we found the cause of the problem. It was stupid of me to forget that my Jmix was still in the "Rottmeier modification".
But it had been ages ago that I had used the Jmix and forgotten to do alt+shft+ctrl+T. And then it stays in the program, doesn't it?
Now I know for sure that these kind of exercise will work in Moodle I intend to make a whole series of it ( at least 20 exercises. Everybody who teaches ESL can use it.
Hart. gr. van Henny.