Moodle Groups vs. Groupings
I really love groupings but was VERY disappointed to discover that the activities assigned to a grouping are hidden on the homepage but NOT in the gradebook. If you have a lot of groups this really makes a mess of the gradebook. Have you found a way around this? I know this is posted in the tracker but curious what strategies you might use?
I thought I would add to Mary's very useful information about groups and groupings with an extra way we use Groupings.
We have several courses where the students are split into groups for different discussions. The group dynamics change for different topics so each students is associated with several groups, eg
- Topic One has groups 1,2,3 & 4 (these groups are in Topic One Grouping)
- Topic Two has groups 5,6,7,8 (these are in Topic Two Grouping)
We apply the appropriate grouping to the forums so that only the relevant groups are displayed in the dropdown.
I notice that I am not able to cloak any Hotpotatoes activity to be available for a specific grouping of students. It would be wonderful to have this grouping feature available for my courses. I am running Moodle install 1.9.7+
Can you help me with this problem? Is this a current design feature of the Hotpot module?
Thanks for any help you can give me.
as I understand it, you would like the Hot Potatoes module to be aware of groupings in the same that the Resource module does, is that right?
As far as I can tell, only the Resource module lets you select a grouping in this way. The other modules, Assignment, Quiz, HotPot only let you choose a group. At this point in time, I don't think I could change HotPot in Moodle 1.9 to work different from the other modules, because to do so maybe confusing for users who are accustomed to how the other modules work, and how the HotPot has behaved until now.
Well, that's my opinion based on my understanding. Does it fit with what you know?
Aha! thanks Mary. You made me look again. I see now that the setting is in "Advanced" section of the standard settings, so I had not noticed it there before.
Chick, I have added groupings awareness to the HotPot module, in Moodle 1.9. See the "mod_form.php" entry on the following page:
The modified scripts will be available from the Moodle CVS repository and from the Moodle downloads page in due course. Usually it takes a day or so for modified scripts to appear in the latest version of Moodle.
thanks for bringing this to my attention
Upgraded to Moodle 2.0.2. Have created Groups and Groupings according to Mary's video.
Groupings set to the correct grouping
When I test the Grouping settings by logging in as a student, the two different wikis that were added are both visible to the student. The student account has access to editing in both wikis. Not certain why this is happening. What am I missing?
Which version is it exactly? I have an idea there was a bug with groupings a few weeks ago but this has since been fixed.
It is Version 2.0.2. I thought that this was going to fix the problem too.
Here is my current situation:
I have students in multiple groups
Students John, Chris, Michele and Kip are in Groups Covina USD & Covina
Students Abe, Donna, Mike and Irene are in Pomona USD & Pomona
I have 2 Groupings - Covina HS & Pomona HS
I have assigned Covina to Grouping Covina HS and assigned Pomona to Grouping Pomona HS.
My problem is that when logging in using a test student account for Grouping Covina HS (a member of both the Covina USD & Covina Groups), I can still see and edit in Grouping Pomona HS wiki (this wiki activity has grouping limited to Pomona HS). My understanding is that this should not happen if I select the wiki settings (please see attached screen shot).
But I am wondering, what is the point, if any, of assigning an activity to a grouping and then NOT ticking 'Available to Group Members Only'?
Does this do something really subtly clever, or does it just write the grouping name next to the activity name (for the benefit of the teachers) and then do nothing else?
If assigning to a grouping without ticking the box is as pointless as it seems to me at the moment (and I am more than ready to stand corrected on this), then what is the point of having the tick-box in the first place (and why, if it must be there, is it unticked by default?).
Ticking the box without assigning a grouping, however, is a different issue and in fact a feature which is concealed by an unfortunate organization of the settings in that section. You see, the feature is:
Available for group members only
Available for grouping members only
This means that if you tick the box the activity or resource will be available only to students who are assigned to a group. Then if you also assign a grouping the groups that will count will be only those which belong to the grouping.
This feature is actually an additional condition on the 'visible groups' and 'separate groups' modes. These two modes have a default 'all participants' group such that students can see the activity/resource even if they do not belong to any group (b/c by default they belong to the virtual 'all participants' group). This condition cancels the virtual 'all participants' group to the effect that one has to be explicitly assigned to a group to gain access to the activity/resource.
The organization is unfortunate because it makes it seem as if the checkbox is related only to grouping, and so the fact that it is a 'groups' setting may be completely missed.
(Mary, if you see this post, this relates to what we discussed elsewhere about the 'Force groups' course setting)
I had never really considered using groupings, until I had a request to allow them on a new course module I created. Now I realise that there are so many situations in which I wish I had known about them (especially when there are two classes, with different teachers and different deadlines...)
I have managed to set up my groups and grouping, but wanted to ask is there a way to hide the whole topic area from other groups?
I have hidden the acitvities in each area, but still the introduction bit of text for each topic is visible - I notice Mary has nothing in that area in her video. Is it possible to hide this too?