Following a thorough review, and bearing in mind the fact that Moodle 2.0 is still quite a long way off being released, we've come up with a list of proposed improvements which hopefully address the main usability issues, which we'd like to implement in Moodle 1.9.5. Please see Development:Gradebook improvements in Moodle 1.9.5.
As some of our proposed improvements involve major changes in the interface, such as the new 'Edit categories and items' page, we'd really like real world support before merging the changes into the 1.9 branch. Thus, we'd appreciate your help in asking teachers to test the improvements on our 1.9 test site (username teacher, password testm00dle) and provide feedback.
Thanks in advance for your help.
- Font size (non editing view) may be too small. It took a while to get used to it. Initially I used the zoom feature in Firefox.
- The tutorial is excellent. I really like that you concentrate on some common features instead of explaining all features. This will encourage more instructors to use the gradebook in Moodle.
- I wish the eye-icon could be added to the feedback column in the user report, because I like to use rubrics.
- As you offer the gradebook with a horizontal bar, it may be better to move the three icons (edit, eye and lock) to the same level with the text boxes. Doing this you could reduce the height of each row and show more students on one page with the horizontal scroll bar still visible.
Overall: I am looking forward to the release of the improved gradebook.
Here are my thoughts so far:
Yes--this is wonderful. I also like that admins can decide to keep both or limit to one type if they want to do so.
Grader report improvements
Thank you, thank you. It is really nice to have the students stay in once place as you scroll through their grades.
I'm not getting the show/hide toggle to work properly, but might be doing something wrong. I like the reduction of icons/page clutter, but it is also really convenient to be able to hide/show outcomes easily. Will keep trying to see if I can get it to work for me.
The tooltip rocks. That is an excellent improvement.
User report improvements
I like the ability to have a range column, but I didn't want it visible for my own teaching situation. I would vote for this to happen only if it can be turned off in preferences somewhere.
Also--I would vote in general for added flexibility in the user report to show or hide outcomes and show or hide feedback. Both of these subjects seem to come up in the forums a bit lately, too, so I know others agree.
I understand, though, that at certain levels these choices might just confuse uses, so I also propose that if the user report itself doesn't have this flexibility, that the admin would be able to allow users to choose these preferences or not; OR at least be able to set them site-wide if institution wants to use outcomes for internal tracking, but doesn’t want students to see them—deems them too confusing
Overview report removed for teachers
This makes sense as teachers are usually not needing a grade report for themselves even if they are enrolled as "students" in professional development courses on the same site.
Easier editing of categories and items
Love everything about these improvements.
This will also be tremendously helpful.
Allowing grades over 100%
Yay! I get asked about this all of the time. I'm glad it is being implemented.
thanks for the improvements within the gradebook!!
I like the tab navigation and think that it will make some things easier.
I didn't have time to test everything, but here is one thing that I think was not improved/changed by now:
We are using the groupings very often (and love them!!!), but there is one problem within the user report (old and I think also in the new one):
If you add an activity to one specific grouping so that only students of this grouping can see/add/edit this activity, shouldn't it be the same within the user report?!?! Students who can't see e.g. Homework1 within their course overview shouldn't see the Homework1 within their grading report!!! It confuses students if they are being marked for something they couldn't see within their course.
If it is already implemented...sorry , if not...it would be really great to have a proper use of groupings also within the user report
Love so much of the new 1.9.5 gradebook and in it's current form would be wonderful but a few additonal comments:
1. "Exclude Grade": I am sure I just did not dig deep enough but did not notice the option of excluding a grade from a specific student. I saw the extra credit option which is great, but not this option?
2. Vertical Scrolling: I also agree with the posts that this is needed. The horizontal headings (assignments) stay in place while you scroll down your list of students. I realize you can just limit the number of students per page but then you have to click to new pages and that takes more time than just scrolling down. This is a basic function in a spreadsheet and most gradebooks, I hope this can be implemented.
3. Update Grades button on TOP and BOTTOM. This would be really nice in actually a lot of the moodle modules and activities as well, always having to scroll all the way down to update takes time and is often forgotten. Out of site out of mind.
4. Assignment Activity Comments: This is probably more of a function of the assignment activity than the gradebook but have not gotten much response on my posts. Currently any comments you put in an assignment show up in the feedback column of the gradebook. If your comments are brief that is great but if you have "in line" comments enabled this becomes a huge mess. I wish there was a way to enter "gradebook comments" in the assignment or simple turn this off or if after the comments got long their was a hot link to view the rest of them. I do not want to disable feedback for the gradebook as most of the other comments are brief but the assignment tool comments are used differently as they are giving you complete feedback and suggestions for improvement and can get lengthy.
-so HAPPY that you have the ability to manual edit grades/feedback in the gradebook without it automatically locking the grade. Thank you Thank you!!!!!
5. Groupings: I have not tested this out but want to second the comment posted by another but maybe this has been fixed. If I assign an activity to a specific grouping it SHOULD NOT show up in the grader report for the member of any other grouping except for the one it was assigned to. This leads to confusion and also crowds up the gradebook uneccessarily. Thanks
Last Question - what is the target release of 1.9.5 it would be so nice to get this tested out and ready well before the next school year starts.
thanks again to everyone that has been working on this.
On your point #1, provided that you are using a method of "aggregation" that only factors in non-empty grades, we have found that an effective way of excluding a student from an assignment or other activity is to simply put in the word "exempt" in the feedback area for the student.
As a result, needing to have a special setting to exclude a grade does not seem to be needed.
Deb has an excellent list there. Please developers listen to Deb.
On your point #1, provided that you are using a method of "aggregation" that only factors in non-empty grades, we have found that an effective way of excluding a student from an assignment or other activity is to simply put in the word "exempt" in the feedback area for the student.
We don't use this method of aggregation. We want a method of aggregation that allows for aggregation of non hidden items in the grade book.
We will always want an empty grade to count as zero unless we exclude it. The student should do the task unless we say they don't have to an exclude it.
At the moment to exclude a grade you have to turn editing on and click on the student and blah blah blah blah. It is too tough. Then, if there are 5 out of your 25 students who need to be excluded from a task because they were on a sport team that day it can result in 30 mouse clicks to do the job. We need a better way. Is it possible to have an exclude students button at the top of the column heading. When it is clicked you can then select multiple students and exclude them from the task?
I am a teacher, so I am very curious when another teacher takes the position that every ungraded assignment (or activity) should be treated as a zero (rather than simply undefined).
When I grade student's work, and they have not submitted the activity, I give them a zero at that point (usually with a comment asking them to submit if for partial credit, or telling them they have received a zero because it was not submitted, or I just put in a comment if I don't yet want it factored into their grade yet). With any other methods they have a zero even before the activity is due. And, I certainly don't want the grades of the whole class to go down when I add an activity (or to go up when I remove one).
It is true that some very static courses may have a pre-defined number of points, and in those cases, working towards enough points simply pass might make sense. Otherwise, it would make sense to me to have a student only see their progress in terms of the work that the teacher has actually gotten around to grading, and expect that the teacher will be entering in grades of zero when the work submitted (or that was not submitted) earns such a grade.
And, the solution that I suggested to Deb works with that strategy.
I would be interested in knowing how your view differs from that.
My problem is with self correcting quizzes like a hot potatoes or a quiz.
You said "When I grade student's work, and they have not submitted the activity, I give them a zero at that point." For Hot Pots and Quizzes the computer grades them for me. I don't want to have to go an put zeros in for the students who have not done them. When I do put a zero in, that prevents late submission as the grade becomes locked/overridden. (We hate that.)
You said "I certainly don't want the grades of the whole class to go down when I add an activity." I don't have a problem with this. My kids love the instant gratification of seeing the grade go up when they complete a quiz.
Whatever motivates them is OK with me.
For a more detailed explanation of why I want an "Aggregate Visible Grades Only" button see.
I agree with your basic premise: only items that are visible should be part of a grade computation (at least by default). It seems like that is your larger issue. And I also agree that putting in feedback or a score should not subsequently prevent a student from completing an activity -- how the teacher may want to treat that late work will vary.
I can also see where one might have a practice of making an activity visible with the exception that the student should do it immediately. In that case, counting it a a zero would not be a problem. On the other hand, if the due-date is some time in the future, or if the item must have a grade assigned to it, then I would argue that it should not be factored into the grade.
But the advice I offered to Deb was for the model I use in my own teaching: Having a student's overall grade to include only items that have been actually scored. If that matches up with her view of things, than I hope she will find the advice helpful.
I just wanted to say that we have a number of faculty here too who would want to have an option as Rob describes (non-completed activity should be automatically counted as 0, since it gives that extra push). Plus, we have users who use Moodle for non-academic purposes (e.g., for internal training), and this grading method works much better for them, since it is more clear and works as a self-monitoring mechanism.
What you could do is put the auto-graded items like quiz and hotpot into a category that gives zero for non-graded items, and the rest of the grade items in a category that aggregates only non-graded items.
Thanks for all the feedback and ideas. That method does work for some courses and applications but as mentioned before that gives students & teachers an "unrealistic" view of their progress. The old grade book used to have a way to do "group exclusions" and this has been logged in the tracker so hopefully it will be put back into future versions. You used to have an "exclude" column like you have the "extra credit" column in the new v1.9.5 gradebook and you could simply click an assignment then click off the students who are excluded. In the current gradebook you have to go into each individual students grade to click exclude, unless of course you only "aggregate non-empty" cells but I would rather have these aggregated and IF you could make sure you only aggreagated non-hidden grades that would be AWESOME. But a group exclude would work as well and since groupings does not play really nice with grades this would really help out. (#5 that I described in my original post)
On the aggregate non-empty grades...I was thinking that this was just working? I have all my grades in categories by week (as a survival strategy since we do not have vertical scrolling with names locked - I put each week in its own category and then move the current week to the top so I can more easily check the students current progress). But I digress...the hidden weeks that have not happened yet do not appear to be averaged into the students grade until I open them up? So I think this is working already unless I have something else enabled here?
Thanks again for all the feedback!!!!
On your point #2, this has already been suggested in several other places, always with a negative outcome. From a usability point of view, you could have either vertical OR horizontal fixed headers, not both. See MDL-17807 for example.
Point #3 is a good idea and easily done.
Point #4: In 1.9.5 we added a mouseover tooltip on each grade cell. This includes the name of the student, the name of the grade item, and the feedback for the grade. You can see this in action on the test server (http://test.moodle.org/1.9/grade/report/grader/index.php?id=16 username:teacher password:testm00dle)
However, Maria, I'm not sure where you got the idea that editing grades and feedback in the gradebook automatically locked the grade. It sets the grade as "overridden", which means that it can no longer be updated by the linked activity. This hasn't changed in 1.9.5
Point #5 will be addressed in the next stage of development, but not in 1.9.5.
Point #4: I did log into the 1.9.5 test site before I posted that comment and posted a long rambling comment on Ronald Alexanders Assignment and went on and on and on and still saw all the comments when I looked at his user report and he will also see it when he logs in. See screen shot. When you utilize "in line comments" that many faculty like to use this can get really lengthy. I think it is a great tool to give student specific feedback on an assignment they submitted which might be a paragraph or maybe the answer to several questions or in my case more often it is feedback to an instructor who completed an activity in my moodle training course and i am giving them detailed feedback on the moodle activity they created with tips, suggestions and solutioins to challenges. But I do not want ALL of this to show up in their grade as it makes it a real scrolling nightmare for the students. Just general comments on the grades can be short and sweet but grades on assignments do not always follow those parameters. Make sense? So that is why I suggest a few options - either only alllow a set amount of characters in the feedback/comments column that displays in the grade and then maybe have a hotlink that says "more" that you can see the rest of the comments or possibly be just taken into the Assignment itself to view or maybe just display a hotlink that says "comments'" that the students can click on to see assignment comments or possibly give instructors the ability to disable the posting of comments in the gradebook if they will be long. Does that make sense?
Your comment to Maria is also my comment. Right now in the gradebook if you manually post a comment/grade in the gradebook it automatically checks override which does lock the grade from any automatic updates. I see this is fixed for v1.9.5 and hope there is a way for this to fix earlier versions as it will take a lot of testing before we can upgrade to 1.9.5 (we have some third party plug-ins like activity locking and others so those have to all be available in 1.9.5 versions and test before we can update). So the challenge is that if a student has not compelted an assignment I might like to post a comment of encouragement in the grades but this automatically selects "override" so to "undo" this I have to click on edit for each individual student and uncheck the check mark, click save and THEN DO IT AGAIN. Yes, 9/10 you have to do this twice to make it work. So obviously a bug of some sort which I have posted in numerous forums and I think is also on tracker. I am running v1.9.2+. Maybe this has already been fixed for 1.9.4? But hopefully the fix can be applied to al v1.9.
Thanks again for all the help everyone. This is dynamite. My Gradebook hell might be coming to an end. There is now a light at the end of the tunnel - I hope I am able to reach it soon!
Point #4: OK I thought you were talking about the grader report. We could have a similar mouseover tooltip for long feedback in the user report too, it makes sense.
I don't quite understand why you are stuck on 1.9.2. There hasn't been any major things added to 1.9.3 or 1.9.4 (You can check the roadmap if you want) that would warrant extensive testing on your part. 1.9.5 is a bit special because of the big gradebook improvements, but you should really upgrade to 1.9.4 as soon as you can. You also need to understand that once a version is released, we don't touch the code in that version. Any improvement will always go into the next version. Otherwise everyone would end up with a different copy of 1.9.4 (for example) and that would be chaos!
The group improvements will happen later, most likely in Moodle 2.0. You will need to be patient with these, they are more complex than it may seem.
Most improvements scheduled for stage 2 will be in 1.9.6 (not 1.9.5).
I should have said "Rob & Nicolas" sorry for the omission and thanks for the feedback.
We have had to do a bit of tweaking in 1.9.4 to get Activity Locking to play nice. When you have third party plug-ins there are always adjustments to be made and we also had an issue with Questionnaire as well. We also had to wait until Activity Locking was ready for v1.9.2 as well. These have been fixed and we have put it back out to faculty for testing and are hoping to be ready by Friday.
So I am guessing that you do not have Activity Locking if you were able to upgrade so quickly and seemlessly. That would be nice but our instructors could not live without activity locking.
A mouseover tooltip for long feedback in the user report would be awesome. Right now without it, Instructors are discourged from using in line comments and long assignment feedback and I have taken a long time ENCOURAGING them to give lots of feedback so this is a real bummer. Nearly every student asks if there is a way to minimize or hide the feedback comments after they have read so they do not have to scroll through all of them to view their grades. So thanks for considering including this in future releases - I wish there was a way you could just hide assignment feedback comments (especially when you have "in line comments" enabled) from the user grade report view in the mean time. It will be a long time until we can move to v1.9.6. I guess I should put this in the tracker as I know there are many folks who would vote for this.
Thanks again. Can not wait for v1.9.5. Any idea when it might be ready for prime time? Hopefully they are also working on getting Activity Locking to play nice with it.
Thanks to all for your efforts, great feedback and interesting discussions!
I've just spent my marking time playing with the new gradebook ! It's a great improvement with many of the major bugbears being addressed. I'll probably need more time to fully explore the system but this is now something we can take back to staff to 'sell' Moodle. For me the best by far is the colour-coding of items and categories (although I'd still like some new icons instead of folders and maybe something to differentiate category and item means (bold/non-bold x bars?). My only other wish would be a slider bar at the top as well as the bottom of the view (goes for some other operations like save, cancel etc. Probably fairly easy to fix (because I heed Nicholas' comments about this thread being for comment and not new features!).
Now I look forward to seeing how the documents can be used to spread use of gradebook as well as operation of features.
To Helen and everyone who has played a role in the 1.9.5 Gradebook improvements THANK YOU!!! I've followed the posts here and agree with everything that has been said so far. Tabs, horizontal scrolling, mouseovers, are all welcome changes. Horizontal & vertical scrolling (ala excel) would be nice, but if its too much effort for little return, I can live with that. As a teacher, I am OK with the "aggregate only non-empty cells" piece. If I give a student a zero, its a conscious decision on my part after negotiations & extended deadlines and I don't have to change a grade because a student had a legitimate excuse for not completing the activity. My only question is...when will 1.9.5 be ready for prime time?...and thanks again
+option to choose drop-menu, tabs or both is good
+note that explains how 'Course settings' determine how the gradebook appears for all participants in the course is brief but useful
+'My Preferences' option removes ambiguity regarding which view is infact being set
Suggestion: 'Views' require more detailed explanation or else contextual help, documentation needs more info; also explain difference between grader report, overview and user report on 'View' page or else via tool tips
-Grader report improvements-
+ability to scroll horizontally while keeping student column static is excellent!
+i agree with the removal of show/hide icons at top; this de-clutters the grader report view and eliminates confusion for teachers who don't quite know what the icons mean
+tool tips are useful and also display info that is lost when teacher scrolls vertical
Suggestion: is it possible to 'freeze' grade item headings located at top when teacher scrolls vertical?
-User report improvements-
+nesting and colour coding of grade item categories is excellent; makes it easier to read
-Overview report removed for teachers-
+i can understand with removal of overview report for (non)editing teachers. this will simplify things teachers when they don't see student grades beyond their given course.
+good to know the relevant permissions can be changed because i can see situations where teachers may require a global view of student grades.
Comment: is it fair to presume the test teacher role has the editing teacher role (ie. non-admin permissions) bcs there is no drop menu to view overview report for other users? just a bit confused bcs i can actually see some admin functions on front page..fyi - i cant actually see participant list drop-menu when logged in as admin on local 1.9.4+ instance on overview report page?..
-Easier editing of categories and items-
+simple and full view is good
+weighting and extra credit columns are excellent in simple view, moreover aggregations, multiplicator and offset in detailed view. its useful to have all these functions in a single view as opposed to scattered across various pages
+ability for admin to reduce number of aggregation types globally will simplify things for teachers
-Allowing grades over 100%-
+i can see how this function cld be useful in certain situations eg. bonus grades, marks.
Comment: with global default setting changed to Yes, i was able to edit student grade above grade item max for an assignment but not for a quiz; dialogue read: The grade entered for Multiple choice 1 for Patricia Barnes is more than the maximum allowed. is it possible to allow grade above 100% for quizzes?..
Suggestion: just a thought here - is there any value in applying reverse logic to grades so teachers can penalise students ie apply negative marking to grade items?..
Thank you very much for improvements and I really welcome the change for 1.9.5
We're currently reviewing everyone's comments then, all being well, we hope to merge the changes into the 1.9 branch in the next week or two.
My experiences only
Have just found this discussion and think the new improvements are great.
I have a feature request though.....would it be easy to add a grade letter (A B C etc....) range calculation option/feature on a per category basis?
e.g if I have 3 assignments in a category graded out of say 40, 80 & 90 (total 210) I would like the gradebook to display a letter grade instead of/aswell as the raw total based on ranges that I specify. I do this in Excel with formulae and find it very useful.
This would be separate to overall the course grade letter definitions that exist under the 'letter' TAB
Does that make sense? Or can it already be done but I don't know about it?
You may edit properties of your category total and set 'Grade Display type" to Real (Letter)
Or do you mean that you want to have different Letter boundaries for a category vs course total?
Yes, I want the grade letter boundaries to change dependent on the task. It's for A level coursework where mark schemes give a raw number but I want to display a letter grade per unit/category. Using the global settings doesn't work, because the % cut-offs for each grade are often different - an A grade might be 80% for one task but 68% for another.
It's not a desperate need but it would be useful to me.
This was deliberately planned to avoid this week's MOODLE_19_WEEKLY version, so you won't get any surprises if you upgrade to that this week.
However, if you want to try out upgrades or new installs with the new gradebook code then this week is the time.
I anticipate that we should have everything ironed out in the next two weeks, so that we can make an official 1.9.5 release then.
thanks for that update - we will upgrade our test server and hopefully get our production server updated as well. This will make my faculty AND students VERY HAPPY!!!
If anyone has updated their 1.9.4+ to take advantage of the 1.9.5 gradebook improvements please let me know how that went. Thanks!
One tip: you may want to watch out for changes, since there will be differences in gradebook behavior (and not only to the interface) in comparison with previous versions of 1.9.
I can post our upgrade FAQ here later. It is for 1.8 to 1.9 conversion, but some of it may be relevant anyway.
We've been interviewing some of our faculty here at San Francisco State University to elicit some feedback on how the gradebook can meet their course management needs.
The following is based on SF State faculty feedback:
Grader Report View
Many of the issues in the grader report stem from courses with a large enrollment. With the new horizontal scrollbar, it proves to be useful until the instructor needs to scroll down to use it.
In order to minimize scrolling, each the grader report page can be paginated, but each page can only contain about 10-15 users (with a maximized browser in 1600x1200, that is), and for our faculty with 500+, 1000+ students, the horizontal scrollbar won’t be very useful. I think Elena had mentioned this somewhere before, but we’d like to echo the sentiment.
Many of our faculty prefer to have more users on one page than several smaller pages. But as a result, some of the things that are fixed at the top or bottom of the page become difficult to access like the overall average column, the range column, the editing button, or the submit button.
User Report View
For some reason, the user report, though it looks similar to the Categories and Items page, doesn’t appear as tidy as that page. I think having column lines extend through the category delimiters helps, as well as the extra padding available in the Categories and Items page. The subtle color and design choices made on Categories and Items page make it seem cleaner and tidier than the user report.
One of the comments our faculty had about the user report was that it had too much information that they felt the student didn’t need or didn’t want the user to see – the gist was they wanted the view to be simpler or the ability to make it simpler.
Categories and Items
When creating a new category, there is also a section for a Grade Item. Without any help file or instructions, it isn’t immediately clear what those settings are for. We were able to discern that the Grade Item section is for the category total column, but most of our users don’t know that the category total is actually a grade item. So at first glance, it may prove to be a little confusing and disconcerting for them to see Grade Item info when they clicked on the new category button.
Other items of feedback we gathered from faculty that are not entirely related to the changes Nicolas has made (not sure if there’s another forum for this...)
Instructors mainly use the grader report in 2 ways:
1. Bulk entry of grades for one or many activities (in which they probably try to enter grades in a particular order)
2. Search for one or more particular users and modify their grade
For use case 2, this can become tedious with the amount of scrolling or “next page”-ing required to locate the user(s) and the grade item(s). A system of filtering or searching for users might help users with this second use case (perhaps similar to the filtering mechanism found in the Participants block or the Quiz Results page)
Hope this feedback is useful.
How do other instructors like to handle the gradebook with large course enrollments?
Thanks to you and your team for the great feedback. I'll try to answer some of these here.
1. Grader report scaling
I don't think showing all students on one page is ever going to be a "nice" solution, simply because of speed considerations. AJAX controls won't be implemented until 2.0, so in the meantime we're stuck with 1 (or 2, for feedback) input fields per grade cell. If you have 1,000 students as you suggest, and say 10 grade items, you end up with 10,000 or 20,000 form inputs which all have to be sent simultaneously when the form is submitted. That would be very slow and probably quite annoying.
One solution may be a set of simple filters. First name, last name, date modified etc. You could then see only the grades you want. It's an idea I've suggested before but people don't seem too keen on it. I'm open for other suggestions.
2. User report
This report will get cleaned up a bit eventually, so the look is more consistent with the edit categories and items page. The problem currently is that they are both using different style sheets and code (being plugins), so there are some consistency issues.
Regarding changing the amount of data shown, this can be done through gradebook settings (Click the settings tab). You will see a section for the user report, including Show Rank and Show Percentages. These will affect the user report for all students in that course.
3. Grade category form
I agree that this is a bit confusing. I think it could be solved by simply renaming that section from "Grade item" to "Category total".
4. Other items
Bulk grading is under consideration. There has been several requests for it, and I think there's even a tracker issue for it, for which you could vote.
Searching for specific users could be solved by implementing the grader report filters as suggested in 1.
Nicolas, thank you so much for all the changes that were implemented in such short time frame.
I would also like to thank Nicolas for all his work.
The most impressive thing about Moodle is when Deb from Alaska and Rob from Australia suggest what their people want, to make Moodle work better, developers like Nicolas from France, Helen from Belgium and Gary from Seattle make it happen.
It is indeed a small world.
The Moodle community from all the corners of the globe thank the developers for asking for feedback and then responding.
If you want to help test it right now you'll need to get a copy via CVS. Instructions for CVS are here (it's less scary than it looks at first!):
Lots of small bugs have been fixed recently (thanks especially to Petr and Nicolas), so help with final testing would be appreciated, then we'll be absolutely ready to release 1.9.5 in the next week or so.
If an element is hidden, this is not shown to the student and, obviously, it appears in grey to the teacher with no distorsion in the calculations involved. If the calculation of a category is hidden, the student cannot see the result of any element within the category, but the final grade is the same as the one that appeared when the category was visible. This is somehow better than it was before but it involves a crucial change in the behaviour of the category: if the calculation of all the category is hidden, the student cannot see any of the elements, hence preventing them from keeping track of their continuous assessment. Therefore, considering the students' perspective, would it be possible to keep the total of a category hidden while being able to see the elements within simultaneously? Here is our suggestion...
We have recently upgrade from 1.8.7 to 1.9.4+ and made some customizations to our organization.
Now we'd like to enjoy the 1.9.5 Gradebook...
How is the best/easy way to apply that module?
Downloading the "1.9.5/grade" folder and coping it over 1.9.4+ will work?
The best solution is to upgrade your whole site to 1.9.5+. Even if you have customised the code, you have to be able to upgrade. That is why if you are doing customisation of the code, you have to have a plan for upgrading. That often involves a version control system. CVS for Administrators and Development:Tracking Moodle CVS with git might be places to start.
Anyway, if you want to try taking some, but not all, of 1.9.5, then the correct bits to try taking are all of
And there is still no guarantee it will work. You will have to test.
It is recommended to invest time into considering easy upgrades with fewer customisations instead of trying to backport security issues and other bugfixes into older releases. Ideally more testing of current STABLE means everybody benefits from the regression reports
1. I have a practice quizzes that I give students. They are graded but not part of the overall grade. How do I just exclude a quiz or for that matter anything else from the gradebook's aggregate calculation. This is not extra credit.
2. Over the years I have done a simple calculation for my grades. I maintain a running total of points that the a student has made in the course (this is done by the overall aggregate) and total points for the work assigned. The reason for doing this is that students can estimate how much points are in the play and how much they can make to get to a desired grade. Can I create a custom column without it being factored into the overall aggregate. I have not been able to do it for some reason.
Thanks in advance for anyone who can help.
2. I'm not sure I understand the requirement. You can display real value and percentage per category and the percentage may give a sense of relative progress. But again I'm not sure that this is what you're looking for.
What I meant was that if I have given three assignment worth 45, 75, and 30 points and the total course points are 500 then I wanted to display a column like "Total Work Assigned Till Date" with a value of 150, so that students know that there is 350 points worth of work still left. That sometimes help them decide whether they can get the grade they want, do the extra credit, drop the course, etc. Like I said the first one will probably make it work for the second too. Never interpreted lock would do it.
I created an issue in Moodle Tracker which describes what all of our teachers would like to do with regards to a progressive type grade book, but is not currently possible. If its what you are looking for you can vote for the issue to be fixed.