In your question section for that game turn off shuffle.
John
John
I have had the same problem and I have shuffle turned off in my Quiz.
I fixed the problem. Now games try use the question or words that used fewer times.
So should we download a new version to get this fix?
Good question,
I have the same problem I suspect it is the algorithm that shuffles the questions.
There may be a weighting system in the question dialog, I haven't looked.
The quick fix is more questions.
At the level I use the games, repeats are acceptable. It would be interesting to know what you are using Millionaire as a quiz for!
John
I have the same problem I suspect it is the algorithm that shuffles the questions.
There may be a weighting system in the question dialog, I haven't looked.
The quick fix is more questions.
At the level I use the games, repeats are acceptable. It would be interesting to know what you are using Millionaire as a quiz for!
John
In reply to Deb Burdick-Hinton
Re: Re: Re: Questions repeating in Millionnaire
by Vasilis Daloukas -
Yes, upgrade to new version and If the problem persists please tell me.
The algorithm that select a question is very simple. Selects random three questions and selects the one that is used fewer times for this game and for this student.
The same algorithm is used at the most games e.g. hangman.
The algorithm that select a question is very simple. Selects random three questions and selects the one that is used fewer times for this game and for this student.
The same algorithm is used at the most games e.g. hangman.
In reply to Vasilis Daloukas
Re: Re: Re: Questions repeating in Millionnaire
by Deb Burdick-Hinton -
Thanks I went to the download link to the game module - it just did not look like it had been upgraded. We originally downloaded in Nov 08. Thanks we will do this.
Hi Vasilis, I work with Deb (the above messages) Thanks so much for your work on the game module. Its awesome and I use games as much as I can in post secondary ed also.
We did get the module updated but we are still having problems repeating questions. I made sure shuffle was off and in the edit for the game, there is no option to turn off any shuffling.
Also, when you try to choose an answer, I get black highlights on the answers and unless you hover over the letters and get an orange highlight, all you see is black and you can not read the answer choices.
Thanks for any help!
Can I saw your course online to understand the problem?
You can send me your site by a private message or by email.
You can send me your site by a private message or by email.
For the second problem try to replace the file mod/game/millionaire/play.php with the above file.
The only change is in line 583 where I set the background colour to White.
In a next version will be the ability to set the background and foreground colour.
The only change is in line 583 where I set the background colour to White.
In a next version will be the ability to set the background and foreground colour.
Thanks so much for looking into this and including the highlighted color fix! We really appreciate your work on this!
I'm not sure if I understand the repeated question issue though.
Again thanks for what you do!!
I'm not sure if I understand the repeated question issue though.
Again thanks for what you do!!
Hi,
the game module is very cool, but I still cannot solve the problem with repeating questions
In quiz there are 15 questions and in every attempt of the game they are repeated. I have unchecked shuffle of questions in whole quiz and shuffle of answers in each question. Is there any possibility to disable random questions? If so, I could write questions in a way that every next question is more difficult, and the last one is the most difficult.
the game module is very cool, but I still cannot solve the problem with repeating questions
In reply to Mariusz Nowak
Re: Odp: Re: Re: Re: Re: Questions repeating in Millionnaire
by John Andrewartha -
Hello,
What you want is a serialized question bank with incremental difficulty. Start at the top and each question becomes more difficult.
For this you need editing rights. Go to the quiz question bank that you want to order.
Do a normal open, just click it. There are tabs at the top. Click edit.
You now have the ability to order the questions.
Save and close when complete.
You may also care to have a look at this link it gives an explanation to the issue of randomization.
http://docs.moodle.org/en/Effective_quiz_practices
John
What you want is a serialized question bank with incremental difficulty. Start at the top and each question becomes more difficult.
For this you need editing rights. Go to the quiz question bank that you want to order.
Do a normal open, just click it. There are tabs at the top. Click edit.
You now have the ability to order the questions.
Save and close when complete.
You may also care to have a look at this link it gives an explanation to the issue of randomization.
http://docs.moodle.org/en/Effective_quiz_practices
John
In reply to John Andrewartha
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by Mariusz Nowak -
Thank you for your response 
In fact I have my questions ordered and if I launch quiz everything is just like I want to be. The problem begins when I want to use my quiz in the Millionaire game. It seems that game ignores order of questions and order of answers in each question. In addition in every attempt of the game several questions are repeated and this affects the sense of this game So my issue concerns only the game module, because normal Moodle quiz is working OK.
In fact I have my questions ordered and if I launch quiz everything is just like I want to be. The problem begins when I want to use my quiz in the Millionaire game. It seems that game ignores order of questions and order of answers in each question. In addition in every attempt of the game several questions are repeated and this affects the sense of this game
In reply to Mariusz Nowak
Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Re: Re: Re: Questions repeating in Millionnaire
by Vasilis Daloukas -
Have a look at this idea. Suppose we have 30 questions.
The first time asks the first or second question
The second time asks the third or fourth question
What you think about this scenario? If you agree I will change the millionaire to work in this way.
The first time asks the first or second question
The second time asks the third or fourth question
What you think about this scenario? If you agree I will change the millionaire to work in this way.
In reply to Vasilis Daloukas
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by Mariusz Nowak -
The third time asks the 5th or 6th question etc?
It sounds very interesting I suppose that then will be none repetitions at one attempt. I would be thankfull
It sounds very interesting
In reply to Vasilis Daloukas
Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Re: Re: Re: Questions repeating in Millionnaire
by Clifton Beasley -
What do you think of giving the teacher two choices: 1) random selection of questions (as it currently works) 2) sequential selection of questions.
In reply to Clifton Beasley
Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Re: Re: Re: Questions repeating in Millionnaire
by Mariusz Nowak -
If we have a large question bank then, I think, random questions may be good possibility. But I still claim that in one attempt of game each question should appear only once. At the time being, random questions are taken from random sampling with return and I think that should be random sampling without return. So maybe it could be like this: quetions which appeared once in the attempt of game should be stored somewhere (maybe cookie or database) and next questions should be always different than those which user had during the attempt.
Nevertheless, the solution from Vasilis Daloukas with 30 questions in my mind is very good
Nevertheless, the solution from Vasilis Daloukas with 30 questions in my mind is very good
In reply to Mariusz Nowak
Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Re: Re: Re: Questions repeating in Millionnaire
by Vasilis Daloukas -
The algorithm that is used now is very simple "Selects random three questions and selects the one that is used fewer times for this game and for this student." This is close to that you suggest.
If one has few questions or want easy questions in the begining and difficult later I suggest the solutions with 30 questions.
Of course if there are 45 questions the game will select one of three questions for each stage.
Will be a parameter to select the one or the other algorithm.
If one has few questions or want easy questions in the begining and difficult later I suggest the solutions with 30 questions.
Of course if there are 45 questions the game will select one of three questions for each stage.
Will be a parameter to select the one or the other algorithm.
In reply to Vasilis Daloukas
Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Re: Re: Re: Questions repeating in Millionnaire
by Mariusz Nowak -
In my particular course I would apreciate the solution with 30 questions and then - we are starting with very simple questions and the further we go the more difficult questions we have. So the student who reaches, for example, the 13th question is generally better than the one who ends on the 10th question - just like it is on TV So I will be waiting for this possibility to introduce in my course Thanks a lot!
In reply to Mariusz Nowak
Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Re: Re: Re: Questions repeating in Millionnaire
by Vasilis Daloukas -
I made the change. Wait one day and download the next version.
There is a parameter named "Randomize questions:" in millionaire Game when the input source is quiz
When the parameter is true works with the standard way.
When the parameter is false works with the above method of 30 questions.
There is a parameter named "Randomize questions:" in millionaire Game when the input source is quiz
When the parameter is true works with the standard way.
When the parameter is false works with the above method of 30 questions.
In reply to Vasilis Daloukas
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by Mariusz Nowak -
OK, great I will be testing new version and I will give you my remaks soon. Once more thanks a lot
In reply to Mariusz Nowak
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by Mariusz Nowak -
Recently I had some time to test Millionaire after Your changes. Now it is just I wanted it to be Thanks! Nevertheless I still have some problems. One is that it seems to me, that number of actual question in the right pane is not the same as the real number, for example: when the first question is displayed, then there is no orange highlight in the pane; when the second question is displayed the orange filed shows number 1 and so on. So the 15th question in the right pane is never highlighted.
The second problem is that sometimes one or two questions in the quiz are repeated one by one, for example: the 4th question is the same as the 5th. In the question bank there are no identical questions of course
Are there any solutions for these issues?
The second problem is that sometimes one or two questions in the quiz are repeated one by one, for example: the 4th question is the same as the 5th. In the question bank there are no identical questions of course
Are there any solutions for these issues?
Thank you. I fixed the above problems. Wait one day and download again the module Game.
And now it's working great THANKS Great job!