### One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

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I have read docs, and a book on Moodle and have not found my answers. I have one course named Literature 101, I have two teachers that teach this course and they have 10 students between them. This is hypothetical but is what is going to be happening with my Moodle install. How do I let these teachers be assigned as teachers to this course and how do I assign their students to them without each teacher seeing the other teacher's students and without the student's seeing the other teacher and their students? I'm not sure how to set this up. Can anyone help?? Thank you in advance.

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

After you have created the course, you will see a block called 'Administration. The third link down there should be 'Assign roles'. Using that, you can add the students and the teachers to the course.

Once everyone is in the course, you can use the Groups feature to put the teachers together with their students.

Then, if you really don't want the different groups to see each other, on the course settings page, Switch to separate groups mode.

Once everyone is in the course, you can use the Groups feature to put the teachers together with their students.

Then, if you really don't want the different groups to see each other, on the course settings page, Switch to separate groups mode.

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

Thank you so much. This helps but what if your students need to belong to several teachers? Like high school where kids change classes during the day. Thank you again!

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

Well, probably you should have a separate Moodle course for each class.

So, if Mr Gradgrind teaches Facts to to classes 9A and 9C for three periods a week, for a semester, you should probably create a course called 'Year 9 Facts' in Moodle with Mr Gradgrind as teacher, and with two groups, one for the 9A students, and the other group for 9C. Mr Gradgrind can be in both groups.

If another teacher teaches Facts to 9B, then, if they teach the course in exactly the same way, you could add a third group to the same course, but if the other teacher wants to teach the course in a completely different way, then you are better with two different courses 'Year 9 Facts with Mr Gradgrind' and 'Year 9 Facts with ...'.

Each student will belong to several different Moodle courses, just like they go to different classrooms to study different subjects with different teachers.

So, if Mr Gradgrind teaches Facts to to classes 9A and 9C for three periods a week, for a semester, you should probably create a course called 'Year 9 Facts' in Moodle with Mr Gradgrind as teacher, and with two groups, one for the 9A students, and the other group for 9C. Mr Gradgrind can be in both groups.

If another teacher teaches Facts to 9B, then, if they teach the course in exactly the same way, you could add a third group to the same course, but if the other teacher wants to teach the course in a completely different way, then you are better with two different courses 'Year 9 Facts with Mr Gradgrind' and 'Year 9 Facts with ...'.

Each student will belong to several different Moodle courses, just like they go to different classrooms to study different subjects with different teachers.

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

Thank you again. Do you know where I can find info on how teachers can create assignments? I can't find it in my Moodle book.

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

It should be in your Moodle book If you go to your course page and turn on the editing and then click where it says

*Add an activity*. You will see the options for assignments. There are four. It depends on what you want them to do. If you want them to send you a wordprocessed document or slideshow or other file, choose Upload a Single File. If you want them to type text directly into Moodle choose Online Text. The other two are useful also but we use them less often - in the box that comes up, type in a name for the assignment and type in the instructions for what you want them to do. Choose the opening and closing dates and any other options you feel necessary. As I see you are going to use groups with this then you need to select separate groups. There 's a lot more about setting up assignments here in the Moodle docs http://docs.moodle.org/en/Assignments### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

This is so complex but I'm getting there. I only want my teachers to be able to edit their own courses so should I make them editing teachers or non-editing teachers? It looks like they have too much access as editing teachers.

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

They can only edit their own courses if you only put them in as teachers in their own courses. When they are enrolled they don't have a 'job'. You then assign them within the course to the role of teacher and they can only work in that particular course. Make them editing teachers.

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

Okay, I think I'm getting this now. It's not a good idea, I take it, to assign global roles to students or teachers but only within their own courses, correct? I have found this works better

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Okay, just one more question: I have two teachers, Teacher A and Teacher B both teaching Literature but with both separate teaching plans. Should I make two courses such as LitA and LitB to go with these teachers? I'm doing this for a whole school district and the course list is going to get LONG if I have to do it this way. I will have several teachers teaching many classes and several teachers will be teaching the SAME classes but with different teaching plans.

And even if they are teaching the EXACT same way, how do I keep them from viewing the other teacher's students? I have tried to set this up already but each teacher can see the other group and so can the students and I don't have them set to see other groups, either.

And even if they are teaching the EXACT same way, how do I keep them from viewing the other teacher's students? I have tried to set this up already but each teacher can see the other group and so can the students and I don't have them set to see other groups, either.

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

Hi Susan,

Not to disagree with Tim, but we don't use groups at all. One reason is FERPA. Every time we think about groups, we find that other teachers can see students who aren't theirs.

We do massive numbers of classrooms. A separate classroom for each instructor.

We create a template classroom, and mass produce that. But, in our case, the content is identical.

In your case, assuming Teacher A will teach LitA again next term/year, I would let the teacher put the materials in (set up the course) and then backup the classroom before the term starts. Alternatively, you can throw all the students out at the end of the course (I haven't tried this; there are some discussions about how to clean out a classroom).

BTW, the list is long only for the admin and for course creators. Nobody else has to view all those classrooms. Use categories to group the classrooms.

I have developed an appreciation for those abstruse 4 digit code names for college courses. A good naming convention (short name) is a must for large numbers of courses.

Not to disagree with Tim, but we don't use groups at all. One reason is FERPA. Every time we think about groups, we find that other teachers can see students who aren't theirs.

We do massive numbers of classrooms. A separate classroom for each instructor.

We create a template classroom, and mass produce that. But, in our case, the content is identical.

In your case, assuming Teacher A will teach LitA again next term/year, I would let the teacher put the materials in (set up the course) and then backup the classroom before the term starts. Alternatively, you can throw all the students out at the end of the course (I haven't tried this; there are some discussions about how to clean out a classroom).

BTW, the list is long only for the admin and for course creators. Nobody else has to view all those classrooms. Use categories to group the classrooms.

I have developed an appreciation for those abstruse 4 digit code names for college courses. A good naming convention (short name) is a must for large numbers of courses.

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

Ben, would you mind giving me an example of what you are talking about? Thank you for your help. I appreciate it very much. I'm learning Moodle from scratch and it's a trial by fire for me.

Would the easiest thing be for me to just give each teacher their own course and then create groups to group the students in? I don't know what you mean by a template? But I would like to know the other options I have, whatever makes this easier.

Would the easiest thing be for me to just give each teacher their own course and then create groups to group the students in? I don't know what you mean by a template? But I would like to know the other options I have, whatever makes this easier.

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

Learning any CMS is trial by fire

If you give each teacher their own classroom, you don't need groups in the classroom (unless you have some other compelling reason to split up the students - like into slow and fast groups). And then, only authorized people can see what the students are up to.

Template - you make one classroom as perfect as you can make it. Then you use Moodle's backup to make a backup. Then you restore the backup any number of times, each time making a new classroom for another teacher.

Within each classroom, teachers can do whatever they want, and you don't care. Each term, you use the template to make new classrooms. And the cycle goes on.

Since we run 20+ classrooms of Crafting the Essay, we don't allow variations by individual teachers. In your case, if you've got 5 people teaching American Literature and you know that all 5 have to teach Scarlet Letter, you're better off to make a template with all the Scarlet Letter stuff in it and duplicate it 5 times. Then let Teacher A add Moby Dick stuff, which Teacher B, who hates Melville, won't use. Teacher B uses Horton Hears a Who instead.

Note, after the first term, when you create the 5 Am Lit classrooms again, your teachers don't have to create their Moby Dick stuff from scratch. They *import* it from the previous term's classroom. Teacher B, however, has been fired

If you give each teacher their own classroom, you don't need groups in the classroom (unless you have some other compelling reason to split up the students - like into slow and fast groups). And then, only authorized people can see what the students are up to.

Template - you make one classroom as perfect as you can make it. Then you use Moodle's backup to make a backup. Then you restore the backup any number of times, each time making a new classroom for another teacher.

Within each classroom, teachers can do whatever they want, and you don't care. Each term, you use the template to make new classrooms. And the cycle goes on.

Since we run 20+ classrooms of Crafting the Essay, we don't allow variations by individual teachers. In your case, if you've got 5 people teaching American Literature and you know that all 5 have to teach Scarlet Letter, you're better off to make a template with all the Scarlet Letter stuff in it and duplicate it 5 times. Then let Teacher A add Moby Dick stuff, which Teacher B, who hates Melville, won't use. Teacher B uses Horton Hears a Who instead.

Note, after the first term, when you create the 5 Am Lit classrooms again, your teachers don't have to create their Moby Dick stuff from scratch. They *import* it from the previous term's classroom. Teacher B, however, has been fired

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

But...if you have Teacher A AND Teacher B teaching Literature101 to several classes of students for first period, second period, third period and so on wouldn't I need to make a Literature 101A for Teacher A and Literature 101B for Teacher B and then make groups within these classes so the teacher can keep the students separate and so that the students can only see the kids that are in the class with them? Again, thank you for your patience and for your kind help!

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

Indeed, that would be clever. You really want to test the groups thing, though. We tried it a year ago (when we were really, really ignorant newbs, in 1.7+), and couldn't get it to work. In your situation, I would trust Tim and 1.9+ to do a good job.

There isn't a forum for groups, is there? I wonder if that would be a good idea. It's a tough concept to grasp & use. Well, for us, at least.

There isn't a forum for groups, is there? I wonder if that would be a good idea. It's a tough concept to grasp & use. Well, for us, at least.

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

I don't want to sound dumb, Ben, but when you say "create one classroom as perfect as you can create it," what do you mean? What is in this classroom? I don't understand I guess? Thanks!

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

Hi Susan,

>What is in this classroom?

Here's a picture from one of our course's home page. As you can see, we've got intro materials, a schedule, a way to message the instructor, lessons, exercises (forum and assignment modules), and a writer's workshop for each lesson's Final Writing Assignment.

In short, you put all your material into the classroom.

>What is in this classroom?

Here's a picture from one of our course's home page. As you can see, we've got intro materials, a schedule, a way to message the instructor, lessons, exercises (forum and assignment modules), and a writer's workshop for each lesson's Final Writing Assignment.

In short, you put all your material into the classroom.

### Re: One course, Two Teachers, 10 Students

Got it, thanks so much for your kind help!