Have any of the members come accross the an AUDIO and WHITEBOARD tool that allows one on one interaction between teacher and student.
It may be an open source or Paid.
Shall be great if help on this option.
Regards
Garry
Hi Bhupinder. We can build one for you in a short time. Recently we got an offer to do something similar using Flash And Flash Communication Server. We went some way in development but the client suddenly changed his model to asynchronous e-learning 
.
Contact me at himmat@ballisticlearning.com. We are located in New Delhi, India.
Himmat, many people are looking for such a tool. Especially we are interested in a whiteboard module with presentation features. No Audio needed, we use Skype.
How much time and money do you calculate for a flashcom whiteboard? Perhaps we can collect collaborative funding or bundle marketing activities for the product
Urs
Hmm, seems to me both the COVCELL (EU funded project) and the Open University project seem to be talking about a live conferencing system that sounds like it would include a whiteboard (and hopefully not be based on expensive technology like FlashCom).
It might be a good idea to try and link up with these two well funded projects to contribute other time and/or treasure to.
Hi,
Can you provide the lnks for these two projects?
Thanks
Garry
Hi Michael, Jason (and fellow Moodlers),
First sorry to have bee silent the last couple of days -- the COVCELL project has just had its launch meeting in Reykjavík and it has been very hectic, so I am a bit behind with the last few of days of forum posts.
We discussed the Open University initiative, about which we are also very excited, and we will certainly be getting in touch with them in the hope of effective synergies. More on this shortly!
Best,
Matthew.
First sorry to have bee silent the last couple of days -- the COVCELL project has just had its launch meeting in Reykjavík and it has been very hectic, so I am a bit behind with the last few of days of forum posts.
We discussed the Open University initiative, about which we are also very excited, and we will certainly be getting in touch with them in the hope of effective synergies. More on this shortly!
Best,
Matthew.
Hi, sorry to repost in this thread but I think the tool
I develop corresponds to what Urs is lookinh for.
It is based on free Technology (SVG,Apache,Perl).
It allows both synchronous and asynchronous graphic communications
through a whiteboard interface.
It allows to manage content (prepare save sessions)...
Next version (1 week) will include a custom icon editor
(make you own annotation tools) and improved interface.
Again this is freely available at :
http://www.telepict.fr
but I am also quite open at discussing joint work
and how to make a Moodle module (the main
issue beeing It seems to port the server part to PhP
and maybe write some DB interface ?)
I am available to help people willing to test the tool
(even though it is enterely doable alone).
Best
JD
I develop corresponds to what Urs is lookinh for.
It is based on free Technology (SVG,Apache,Perl).
It allows both synchronous and asynchronous graphic communications
through a whiteboard interface.
It allows to manage content (prepare save sessions)...
Next version (1 week) will include a custom icon editor
(make you own annotation tools) and improved interface.
Again this is freely available at :
http://www.telepict.fr
but I am also quite open at discussing joint work
and how to make a Moodle module (the main
issue beeing It seems to port the server part to PhP
and maybe write some DB interface ?)
I am available to help people willing to test the tool
(even though it is enterely doable alone).
Best
JD
I did not know how to get it to work at first, but with the plugin in worked fine. Telepict is much more advance of the free one at general electric. (imagination cubed?)
Comments:
1) My interest was for somethign seemlessly integrated in Moodle, since these things are so pretty that the impress people. If it were not seemlessly integrated in moodle however, it would not help me promote moodle. You mention an integration (ideally it would be selectable as another module - then I bet you would have many users).
2) It requires a plugin that some students do not have as standard. My students are non-technological and even installing a plugin, especially from a non-Japanese language site may be difficult. Java tends to cause problems.
However, if it were possible to distribute the plugin ourselves then this difficulty may be largely overcome. Is it possible to redistribute the plugin ourselves?
3) It is not compatible with firefox. Alas this is critical since about 5 to 10% of my students are using Firefox. I would only be able to use it when Firefox comes on line. Do you know when that may be?
4) I don't think that the telepict interface uses Japanese. Does it?
5) While the functionality is vastly superior to "imagination cubed"(?), or because of that facat, I did not work out how to use telepict. Perhaps you might consider making a basic version for demonstration purposes. Usability issues *may* (they may also be my ineptitude) include:
5.1) I am not sure what "stop/start the synchronisation" means. What is a synchronisation? What is being synchronised with what?
5.2) I could not work out how to replay things. There seemed to be rewind and play buttons there, but pressing them did nothing.
5.3) More than one of the buttons cycle through a number of options but it is not clear which of the cycles/options one is in. It would be nice if as one clicks and cycles throught the options, the option box changes into a different icon, like the groups icon next to activities in moodle.
6) What is the catch?!
I mean what is your business model?
7) What are the server requirements.
8) Finally, may I ask if it is possible to add a ?file= to the url of the interface so that instead of just opening to a blank screen it opens to display a movie? That seems it is possible to save drawings. If the interface could be integrated with moodle to include a "publish moive option" that would be a wonderful feature. It would be great for explaining anything. It is a bit like being able to make flash movies online.
For me though, if all the above could be acheived using the more widespread Flash plugin, using an open source server, as mentioned by Jamie below, it would be even better.
Tim
We don't need any special server just for a whiteboard. We can make a multiuser whiteboard that communicates with php, in a similar way to the way the Moodle chat system works with php.
It would be more efficient to have a whiteboard talk to a special server and we could handle more simultaneous users with a special server but we can start off making one that talks to php and make another version that talks to red5 later for those sites that can get access to a red5 server.
Jamie
It would be more efficient to have a whiteboard talk to a special server and we could handle more simultaneous users with a special server but we can start off making one that talks to php and make another version that talks to red5 later for those sites that can get access to a red5 server.
Jamie
Tim, thanks for the feed-back here are elements of answer
electric. (imagination cubed?) >
I just recall we are talking about www.telepict.fr here
Comments:
1) My interest was for somethign seemlessly integrated in Moodle, since these things are so pretty that the impress people. If it were not seemlessly integrated in moodle however, it would not help me promote moodle. You mention an integration (ideally it would be selectable as another module - then I bet you would have many users).
I think this is doable but would require porting my server
scripts from perl to php, some work but not that much. But the INRIA service is already
available and you can use it on the side of moodle with no problem ...
2) It requires a
plugin that some students do not have as standard. My students are
non-technological and even installing a plugin, especially from a
non-Japanese language site may be difficult. Java tends to cause problems.
However,
if it were possible to distribute the plugin ourselves then this
difficulty may be largely overcome. Is it possible to redistribute the
plugin ourselves?
Unfortunately adobe svg plugin licence forbids that. You have to download from adobe web site. You can get a Japanese version of the
download page by selecting the language at the top of
http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/main.html
3) It is not compatible with firefox. Alas this is critical since about 5 to 10% of my students are using Firefox. I would only be able to use it when Firefox comes on line. Do you know when that may be?
FireFox 1.5 has already svg support built in. Unfortunately
it si currently very slow and TelepicT cannot run on it. But
It is foreseeable that svg applications will in the future
run directly on Firefox, Safari and Opera.
4) I don't think that the telepict interface uses Japanese. Does it?
However if you want to help me
It would be easy to have a japanese version for most of the
messages and online help. Just need to translate a few files
(I have to ckeck on the available fonts also).
>
5) While the functionality is vastly superior to "imagination cubed"(?), or because of that facat, I did not work out how to use telepict. Perhaps you might consider making a basic version for demonstration purposes. Usability issues *may* (they may also be my ineptitude) include:
< style="font-family: georgia,times new roman,times,serif;">Well you have a complete user's guide at
http://www.telepict.fr/ug-en.pdf
>
5.1) I am not sure what "stop/start the synchronisation" means. What is a synchronisation? What is being synchronised with what?
are synchronized with the server and the TelepicT combine (tool)
opened by other people on the same line (thats what the "connect
to a line" section of the switchboard stands for.
You can also send by email the result of your work (right click and
select "email async. session" from the contextual menu.
5.2) I could not work out how to replay things. There seemed to be rewind and play buttons there, but pressing them did nothing.
This is a very interesting remark ! There is an undo button
which can be used to take a few steps back but I have not implemented
such a functionnality (would that be useful ?).
The >rewind and play buttons (actually first/last/next/perv page)
are used when you load multipage documents (dwg pdf or slide shows)
<>
5.3) More than one of the buttons cycle through a number of options but it is not clear which of the cycles/options one is in. It would be nice if as one clicks and cycles throught the options, the option box changes into a different icon, like the groups icon next to activities in moodle.
Indeed, generally buttons work that way. Some of them
give an indication of the current state when you point at them
(Filling --> F, Thickness --> shows a line, opacity --> check the
color palette ...)
><>6) What is the catch?!
I mean what is your business model?I wish I had one ! I interest continues to devellop I will probabaly ask INRIA to provide
a free licence to distribute the tool. Meanwhile it is freely available on INRIA server
www.telepict.fr
>
7) What are the server requirements.
If you are not interested in the DWG visualisation functions
you just need an apache server (on linux or windows) + perl
+ quite a lot of open source softwares installed on the server.
8) Finally, may I ask if it is possible to add a ?file= to the url of the interface
so that instead of just opening to a blank screen it opens to display a
movie?
but no movies yet.
That seems it is possible to save drawings.
Yes you can save and restore work session (right click
--> save session). Upon closing you can also choose
to save the current state which will be automatically restored
next time you open the tool (requires registration).
If the interface could be integrated with moodle to include a "publish moive option" that would be a wonderful feature. It would be great for explaining anything. It is a bit like being able to make flash movies online.
OK, If Adobe (or other software company) moves on and implement
the full SVG 1.2 specs, it will be possible. It would already
be possible to implement this features but with another
svg plugin (ASV6) which is in beta state.
For me though, if all the above could be acheived using the more widespread Flash plugin, using an open source server, as mentioned by Jamie below, it would be even better.
sure, SVG future is incertain. But is is an open and free graphic
format and I think unsurpassed for develloping such applications.
Feel free to contact me for (online) demo and questions
>
Jean-David Benamou
http://www.telepict.fr
(platforms : Windows/IE-Mac/Safari + Adobe ASV-SVG plugin.)
tel : 33 (0)1 39 63 54 40
MSN : jdbenamou@hotmail.fr
Skype : jdbenamou
<>
>
About SVG : native SVG support is announced in FireFox 1.1 (July ??)
Hi Urs,
Sorry for the delayed reply. I just hadn't looked at this thread. Bhupinder Singh came and met me. We discussed this tool and our previous work on it. I now have to send him a complete spec and task detail.
But..we'ld be keener to do it as a collaborative open source Moodle project so that it benefits the community! I'll get back with specs and costs asap..within a week from today.
Sorry for the delayed reply. I just hadn't looked at this thread. Bhupinder Singh came and met me. We discussed this tool and our previous work on it. I now have to send him a complete spec and task detail.
But..we'ld be keener to do it as a collaborative open source Moodle project so that it benefits the community! I'll get back with specs and costs asap..within a week from today.
Did you all look at jabber/cocinella at all?
No Micheal. After a short glance at their description on their website I will definitly give coccinella a try.
Thank you very much for the link.
Urs
Himmat, great. Looking forward to your facts and figures.
Urs
Hello Himmat,
Nice to know you are interetsted.
Are you looking at live conferencing from DEKEOS.
May be we can work on this jointly with other members who are interetsed.
Looking to hear from you.
Regards
Garry
Hi Bupinder,
Yes I am looking at the Dokeos implementation as a starting point. We have already experimented with it..playing around with improving whiteboard functionality like adding, deleting multiple pages and saving. Then, with adding better more functional rooms, robust presentation functionality, recording, retrieving sessions etc. We experimented because 3 businessmen buzzed our heads for a month for a one-on-one e-tutoring tool with multiple rooms and a queing system! It is totally possible to improve the Dokeos Live Con app dramatically. Except, that these genlemen wanted all this done plus an elaborate php mysql based admin backend..running in the business environment in less than 2 months!! So we had to refuse.
Hi Garry,
maybe you can have a look at
www.telepict.fr
It is an online shared visualization (images, PDF, DICOM ..) and annotation tool which also allows to manage and structure work session in time.
It is independent of Moodle but I think there is no problem
in running both at the same time. You can also use Skype
or MSN on the side.
It runs in IE or Safari + Adobe SVG plugin (make sure you
installed it).
Best
JD
maybe you can have a look at
www.telepict.fr
It is an online shared visualization (images, PDF, DICOM ..) and annotation tool which also allows to manage and structure work session in time.
It is independent of Moodle but I think there is no problem
in running both at the same time. You can also use Skype
or MSN on the side.
It runs in IE or Safari + Adobe SVG plugin (make sure you
installed it).
Best
JD
Hello,
We tested a proprietary software SPARK
http://www.photoninfotech.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=62
We did a Moodle-SPARK integration fon one on one etutoring using VC, chat, whiteboard and desktop application sharing and currently under test for EPO (Educational Process Outsourcing) teaching SAT maths engaging an onlne tutor from India.
We are now actively involved in bringing SPARK under opensource.
For further info please send a personal mail.
Nagarajan
Hi Nagarajan,
The application sounds interesting.
Any chance that one can try it out and understand the features etc.
Great to know that you are looking at this as an open source product.
Shall look forward to know your views.
Regards
Garry
Have a look at sourceforge.net, search for
whiteboard
and there are a range of projects.
I've had no problems with drawboard and whiteboard; but these are primitive.
All seem to need java for server and client. I would put more time in to lucane, webhuddle, jsummit, surabaya etc but they all need java runtime, which is not currently on my college workstations.
I've also wanted a good look at NEW, which I found via a link here at moodle, but there is a firewall issue for my college when you come to install the client; I am trying at home though
Andy D
whiteboard
and there are a range of projects.
I've had no problems with drawboard and whiteboard; but these are primitive.
All seem to need java for server and client. I would put more time in to lucane, webhuddle, jsummit, surabaya etc but they all need java runtime, which is not currently on my college workstations.
I've also wanted a good look at NEW, which I found via a link here at moodle, but there is a firewall issue for my college when you come to install the client; I am trying at home though
Andy D
Here is another affordable option http://vs35746.server-store.com/store/products/category3.inetstore
Hi,
Thanks for the info.
What I am trying to look for is a tool which allows realtime communication on a one-to-one between two persons and allow the two to interact on a document (which is available on the whiteboard) to work on and talk to each other. Meaning thereby they need to have a full duplex audio features available.
The java options are there and I thaught to get the moodle communities suggestions on what are the solutions that they have used / heard of and then proceed to evaluate them one by one.
Any suggestions shall be welcome.
Garry
We have bought into Elluminate (www.elluminate.com)
and are using it extensively in our schools - it does everything mentioned above very easily
and seamlessly. Many of our courses in Moodle have a 'live' link so that we
accomodate both asynchronous and synchronous and it works brilliantly.
We are just embarking on extending a pilot project to support the teaching of
MFL(Modern Foreign Languages) in primary schools where a secondary specialist
teacher gives a 'live' lesson using Elluminate to several feeder primary
schools simultaneously, but then directs the primary pupils and their teachers
to all the supporting 'asynchronous' activities within the course.
We are also hoping to extend this to contacting schools (initially
French-speaking but ultimately for any language) so that our students can talk
to native speakers and in doing so, any school who gets involved with our
schools will NOT have to pay anything for linking live with us. Please do let
me know if there are any schools out there who would like to link up with us
and I can give you more details of the work we are doing. We could set up a new thread from here if it helps.
Cheers
Val
Val,
this sounds fantastic. We are very interested in linking up with you. It would be great for our MFL program. Please give as more details.
Ulrike
this sounds fantastic. We are very interested in linking up with you. It would be great for our MFL program. Please give as more details.
Ulrike
Hi,
Thanks. The tech from SPARK said:
Using SPARK users can interact through whiteboard where they can upload SWF, PPT and JPEG files. Sharing and collaboratively working on documents would be done through the app share interface. Users will still stay within the classroom and yet collaborate on documents on a new window.
Full duplex audio is a possible customization, which we currently have disabled in our version. However there is no reason why we cannot do that, when a customer wants that option.
Nagarajan
hi,
Thanks.The techie from SPARK said:
Using SPARK users can interact through whiteboard where they can upload SWF, PPT and JPEG files. Sharing and collaboratively working on documents would be done through the app share interface. Users will still stay within the classroom and yet collaborate on documents on a new window.
Full duplex audio is a possible customization, which we currently have disabled in our version. However there is no reason why we cannot do that, when a customer wants that option.
Nagarajan
Hi,
Thanks for the info.
Shall be glad to receive information on the platform and the protocols for voice (is is VOIP) and what is the mode of data (text/video/audio) transfer. What are the refresh rates etc.
The hardware and software environment along with bandwidth requirements may be advised.
PS Went to the link in your mail and tried to download the data sheet It appears that the link is not working. Could you mail it on
Thanks
Garry
Hi Andy,
Thanks for the input.
The white board on source forge have been looked at. They seem to be static and not moving much except two.
Can you suggest what has been the outcome of your preliminary evaluations and what were your impressions.
I was unable to get to surabya. Can you post a link.
Any other suggestions that you may have are welcome.
Garry
Garry
The 2 whiteboards are extremely basic - users can draw/write to them, but the screens are bitmapped - objects cannot be edited/moved, only overwritten, or whole screens removed. I don't think either allow cut or paste/preloaded images.
Drawboard has it's own java server to send messages to clients; whiteboard uses php/mysql. Whiteboard allows you to run several screens simultaneously, and control if they are read/only or read/write. Both use applets for the client - that's basically the limitations that I have (no flash server, no client needing JRE).
I tend to use them in classes in computer rooms - for sending messages, quick and dirty collaborative exercises, so they are fine, within those limitations.
Surabaya - http://sourceforge.net/projects/surabaya
Andy D
If you are interested in a "low thresh-hold" technology oprtion - ie something that is usable over 56K modems then look at http://www.inetconferenceroom.com/rooms.nsf/home DiscoverE. Though this is a paid service, (it is cost effective) we have used it so far to audiocast complete with slide presentations and interaction with Moodle in the two Australian and the NZ Moodle Moots in 2004 and 2005.
I also use it extensively in emergency management training and hopefully in an operational mode in the coming months.
If you want to have a look at it let me know and we can arrange a time in my room. just email me chris@raemec.com.au .
Has this been mentioned? It is very nice to play with.
http://www.imaginationcubed.com/LaunchPage
And this thread where Marting recommends it and Jamie Pratt discusses creating a whiteboard for Moodle.
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=21568
If it were me, I would fund Jamie to make flash white board for you. For the next year you would have to purchase shared Flash Communications Server space and then move to Red5, the open source version when that comes on line.
Tim
http://www.imaginationcubed.com/LaunchPage
And this thread where Marting recommends it and Jamie Pratt discusses creating a whiteboard for Moodle.
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=21568
If it were me, I would fund Jamie to make flash white board for you. For the next year you would have to purchase shared Flash Communications Server space and then move to Red5, the open source version when that comes on line.
Tim
Hi Tim and others,
Thanks for your recommendation Tim.
Very intersting things are happening in the Flash world right now. There is a lot of energy going into the open source project Tim mentions 'Red5'. This is an alternative to Flash com server which will be free server software to allow :
- streaming of audio
- video
- and data to and from browsers with the Flash plugin. (for all kinds of applications including whiteboards).
I think we can expect to see Red5 usable around mid-2006. In the mean time we could develope a white board and real time and non real time audio and video applications integrated into Moodle that use the Flash com server which you can buy shared hosting on for from 10 dollars a month.
If someone had funding for this or a developer had some time to contribute then hopefully we could develope Flash components that could also be released as open source for use in other web applications besides Moodle.
Using Flash might be a nice solution because it is widely available on most systems without any installation needed.
I'm keeping an eye on the many very interesting open source Flash projects and I'll post to the Moodle forums when there is further news on mature tools that might be of interest to Moodle developers.
Jamie
Hello Jamie,
Nice to hear about your interest. I have also read with interest your posts on other forums.
I would be interested in discussing how we can work on this option.
Maybe we can contribute resource skills if someone is ready to look at leading the project.
Comments of other Moodle forum members on who can pool resources to achieve the common obectives can be discussed.
The objectives that we can define in detail and all agree upon.
In the mean time Jamie are there any options that in the interegnum can be used till we have our own product ready.
May be we can star with identifying the options that are aready in open source and then consider going forward.
Garry
Hi Bhupinder,
I see you're based in Chandigarh. I was in Chandigarh just the other week visiting some friends there.
I think Moodlers are already using the best option available now for voice facilities - skype.
We can develope many more voice and interactive applications which can be more integrated into Moodle using FCS and later RED5.
Here is an email I sent to someone who inquired about this outlining some ideas and some of my discounted prices (hope noeone is offended by me posting prices on the forums) :
I see you're based in Chandigarh. I was in Chandigarh just the other week visiting some friends there.
In the mean time Jamie are there any options that in the interegnum can be used till we have our own product ready.
I think Moodlers are already using the best option available now for voice facilities - skype.
We can develope many more voice and interactive applications which can be more integrated into Moodle using FCS and later RED5.
Here is an email I sent to someone who inquired about this outlining some ideas and some of my discounted prices (hope noeone is offended by me posting prices on the forums) :
Hi *****,
It depends on how much we want to do but I would think that first we could develope a whiteboard with the ability to be embedded anywhere within Moodle or to have a link to a pop up embedded anywhere in Moodle. In forum posts by students (if the admin has allowed them), in resources etc.
The first step I would recommend is to have this whiteboard to talk to php instead of using any other server technology, this would allow it to be used on any Moodle site with no requirement for an account on a RED5 or FCS server. This I could do for around 3,000 US dollars, some features :
Adding voice chat is relatively easy. This would cost around 750 dollars. We would need to wait until Red5 became a little more stable to use it. We could develope something right now using Flash comm server and for another 250 dollars I could get it working with RED5 later when that becomes more widely used.
Jamie
It depends on how much we want to do but I would think that first we could develope a whiteboard with the ability to be embedded anywhere within Moodle or to have a link to a pop up embedded anywhere in Moodle. In forum posts by students (if the admin has allowed them), in resources etc.
The first step I would recommend is to have this whiteboard to talk to php instead of using any other server technology, this would allow it to be used on any Moodle site with no requirement for an account on a RED5 or FCS server. This I could do for around 3,000 US dollars, some features :
- a whiteboard usable by several people at once. Each person can see the contribution of the others at once.
- have an admin/teacher setting to allow set up of certain types of whiteboard for a course eg. one user whiteboard / multiuser whiteboard. Permissions would be in a matrix and would depend on whether the user is a admin/teacher/student.
- allow text in different fonts to be written on the wb; allow drawing with a mouse; allow uploading of images to display on the white board
- allow whiteboard to be dynamically resizable and zoomable with scroll bars if all the wb area can't be viewed at once.
- allow back up of contents of whiteboards as part of a Moodle course back up
- show recent changes to whiteboard in the recent changes side block.
- allow animated playback of creation of whiteboard contents.
Adding voice chat is relatively easy. This would cost around 750 dollars. We would need to wait until Red5 became a little more stable to use it. We could develope something right now using Flash comm server and for another 250 dollars I could get it working with RED5 later when that becomes more widely used.
Jamie
Jamie
amazing what people can do with a very simple drawing tool! Check out the drawing here which was done using a Flash drawing tool :
http://www.mixarcade.com/ratemydrawing/showdrawing.php?id=539&cat=cartoons
http://www.mixarcade.com/ratemydrawing/showdrawing.php?id=539&cat=cartoons
What ball park of $ would be needed to fund such a product for moodle?
It could run on Either Flash Com server (now) and Red5 later...
Jamie, the 'Red5' initiative is interesting.
In the past we wanted to try an affordable conference system for client presentations. The system did not work because the clients could not connect due to their firewalls. After that we stopped our search.
I looked at other systems and had a look at those proposals in this forum. Many depend on special systems/software.
What we need is a cross platform solution on the client side: *nix, Mac, Win. What we also need is a system with a professional interface. From all conferencing systems I have seen I prefer the quality of the Breeze interface.
And I suppose Flash streams make least problems with company firewalls. So for me a solution with a collection of modules makes most sense: a whiteboard module, a audio module, a text chat module etc.
Urs
Does anybody have experience with any of the following Video Conferencing tools?
Dileco
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higher-order thinking. A flexible and configurable tool that can be adapted to
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---Putting The Learner First---- Open Learning
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newsgroup's messages into multiple courses for offline work. It is especially
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Loacker |
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Loacker is a fully self-contained .NET framework
for building and managing e-learning applications, including a CMS engine, a
persistent object store, a Web server with browser-based content editing and
real-time audio/video conferencing capabilities.
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TrueXperience Multimedia Conferencing |
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Maybe you could be interested in a product we are a distributor of. Its called Marratech
it was build from the ground up for education and combine :
VoIP
withe board
video conferencing
group moderation
sip and H323 bridging
its a very advenced systeme. There is a free version that can be dl to test its also very secure and we are building a marratech/moodle bridge as we speak.
if you want a demo just PM me here
it was build from the ground up for education and combine :
VoIP
withe board
video conferencing
group moderation
sip and H323 bridging
its a very advenced systeme. There is a free version that can be dl to test its also very secure and we are building a marratech/moodle bridge as we speak.
if you want a demo just PM me here
This Looks Very Promissing for Web Conferencing, and in the very spirit of Moodle- Here are some extracts from the web site (http://netlab.gmu.edu/NEW/)
The Network Education Ware
Project
Whats NEW ?
NEW is a powerful and robust Internet teaching and conferencing environment based on open-source Internet conferencing software.
NEW is a suite of open-source distance education software, which is highly modular and makes efficient use of both network bandwidth and human time.
NEW is easy to adapt for a wide variety of distance education and conferencing uses.
Whats special about NEW ?
For NEW , we have added "glue" functions to other groups' openly available software (keeping all original functions). We have cleaned up bugs when necessary, and are making the whole system available as open-source on this website.
What are the features of NEW ?
- Multi-platform: Windows and Linux (Macintosh soon)
- Based on a multicasting model using linked servers
- TCP tunnel option works through firewalls and NATs
- Authentication with web-based access
- Multi-speaker audio with floor control
- Text chat with remote URL launch
- Whiteboard supports multi-site drawing
- Authoring for whiteboard slides from any application
- Usable over 56K modem links (without video)
- Record and playback at any site
- Both streaming playback and download playback available
- Simple integration of any multicast-based tool
- Tools may be run on single or multiple computers
- Transport Layer Multicaster (TLM) Features
- Adaptation of Speak Freely Features
- Master client (TLMC) Features
Hi Frederic,
Currently, development of a whiteboard module for Moodle is in progress at Moodle for Language Teaching in the COVCELL section. Here is a recent comment by Matthew Whelpton, who is coordinating that project. It is very timely that you and others make comments now on the specificiations. Please go there and make suggestions.
Currently, development of a whiteboard module for Moodle is in progress at Moodle for Language Teaching in the COVCELL section. Here is a recent comment by Matthew Whelpton, who is coordinating that project. It is very timely that you and others make comments now on the specificiations. Please go there and make suggestions.
Though the COVCELL project is developing one now - we will be making a streamlined version of Coccinella for Moodle which will exploit a Jabber chat server. Our Software Requirement Specification can be viewed at:
http://www.covcell.org/reports/SRSv10+.pdf
And comments/input on this aspect of our plans can be given in whiteboard thread of the COVCELL forum:
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=41187
All the best,
Matthew.
http://www.covcell.org/reports/SRSv10+.pdf
And comments/input on this aspect of our plans can be given in whiteboard thread of the COVCELL forum:
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=41187
All the best,
Matthew.
Hi Frederic and Don,
The functionality of this NEW tool is pretty close to what we would wish for. If such functionality could be combined with certain Moodle functions like authentication (and perhaps chat), we would be mightily pleased, since we pay a fortune for LearnLinc at the moment (money that would be better spent in-house developing and maintaining open source solutions).
Rgrds,
Paul.
The functionality of this NEW tool is pretty close to what we would wish for. If such functionality could be combined with certain Moodle functions like authentication (and perhaps chat), we would be mightily pleased, since we pay a fortune for LearnLinc at the moment (money that would be better spent in-house developing and maintaining open source solutions).
Rgrds,
Paul.
Hi all,
What we would be interested to know is whether any of these open source solutions wil also include core functionality like hand-raising, two-way application sharing and direct feedback (like in a choice tool), or am I running ahead too far now?
Rgrds,
Paul.
What we would be interested to know is whether any of these open source solutions wil also include core functionality like hand-raising, two-way application sharing and direct feedback (like in a choice tool), or am I running ahead too far now
Rgrds,
Paul.
Paul,
There are several ways teachers can use two way application sharing and direct feedback with Network EducationWare (NEW) . If you have not done so, I suggest you look at the general presentation (http://netlab.gmu.edu/NEW/SyncDistEd.pdf) which explains how this can be done. For example, look at slide 9: Desktop audiographics virtual classroom: preloaded static graphics; streaming audio and annotations; text response.
Students can provide feedback with either text messaging or streaming audio. Look at the teacher guide (http://netlab.gmu.edu/NEW/QuickGuide.shtml) which explains how students can Request Floor (raise hand) . The Whiteboad Buttons (WBD buttons) across the bottom of the board are those that deal with whole pages. The options here cover anything from photographs, to PowerPoint and LaTeX slides, to contents of any window active on the teaching computer, to plain old typing and handwriting.
Hi Frederic:
We are evaluating some temporary solutions for virtual classroom feature (like the Blackboard space - screen share, app share, doc share real-time, .etc). I'm going to setup a testing server to test the NEW (http://netlab.gmu.edu/NEW/) project today. Before the Moodle community or the COVCELL could come up with a better solution, we would like to provide our instructors with some temporary solutions.
Just wondering, have anyone tested using Jabber server (e.g. Ejabberd) as an external tool outside of Moodle, to provide online chat feature? If so, could you please share your experience? (e.g. for what kind of server hardware/bandwidth, how many simultaneous clients could be served..etc.). From time to time some of our instructors would invite a "guest speaker" from another remote site to participate on Moodle chat, which had caused some problems before...Thanks!
I spent a few days calling major vendors, and prices typically can range in the US$15,000 to $50,000 per year, or $0.10 to $0.30 per user and per minute.
With Network EducationWare, you actually get a good product that does most of what these vendors offer (if not more) and the ability to customize it, just like with Moodle. You only need to have a dedicated server (512 MB of RAM or more based if you will use it with more than 20 students), and the time/skills to install all the free open source software required. One of our 4 web hosting service provider (used for Moodle) charges a $200 initial setup fee to install NEW all required software + a monthly fee of either
$130 (512 MB RAM/250 GB Traffic, 3 accounts, 15 GB Space, 3 accounts)
$170 (768 MB RAM/400 GB Traffic, 25 GB Space, 5 accounts)
for a virtual private server. This includes 24/7 tech support, daily backups, and all the good admin stuff you would expect (cPanel, phpMyAdmin...)
So far, this is the best deal I could find. I are willing to share this server and associated with a partnering school/university, as long as this partner will not use it when we need it (eight hours a week, to be determined).
you should check us out at Marratech, i dont want to sound like a sales man but i do belive in the product.
1) its a software you can buy for a resonable cost and once you buy it there is recurent fees except for service if you need somme
2) its a very nice solution that DONT relies on port 80, all thoses flash based product use port 80 and there is no way to prioritise the content over web content and it causes issues with firewall and packetshaper.
3) its a standar base product, no obscure protocol and it will just work, weant to connect your web conferencing to traditional videoconference equipment like tanberg or polycom over h323 you got it. want to have sommeone on the field join a webconference with only a cellphone ? you got it with the SIP compatibility module
4) it work accross platforme (mac os , windows, linux) a lot of browser based solution will say they work on them all but when you look deeper solution like breez will only allow pepole on windows to edit and create presentation. Marratech is 100% java and work on every OS
again let me say this perfectly clear : i am a BIG open source guy, i work in a open source service compagny and all our product are open source execpt for the webconferencing solution because i tryed everthing out there and just could not found an open source solution that is both working and simple enought for the users.
try it out its free for up to 5 simultanous users
1) its a software you can buy for a resonable cost and once you buy it there is recurent fees except for service if you need somme
2) its a very nice solution that DONT relies on port 80, all thoses flash based product use port 80 and there is no way to prioritise the content over web content and it causes issues with firewall and packetshaper.
3) its a standar base product, no obscure protocol and it will just work, weant to connect your web conferencing to traditional videoconference equipment like tanberg or polycom over h323 you got it. want to have sommeone on the field join a webconference with only a cellphone ? you got it with the SIP compatibility module
4) it work accross platforme (mac os , windows, linux) a lot of browser based solution will say they work on them all but when you look deeper solution like breez will only allow pepole on windows to edit and create presentation. Marratech is 100% java and work on every OS
again let me say this perfectly clear : i am a BIG open source guy, i work in a open source service compagny and all our product are open source execpt for the webconferencing solution because i tryed everthing out there and just could not found an open source solution that is both working and simple enought for the users.
try it out its free for up to 5 simultanous users
Thanks Matthew,
I looked at the info provided in the links. Looks great for Language training (and with a 300,000 Euros development budget, I imagine it will be a great products. Too bad we have to wait for close to a year before the first release will be available. Also, I am not sure that it will cover our needs for Video conferencing and class interactions like Network EducationWare (NEW) does. A smart thing would be to integrate and customize the NEW application to add language training capabilities instead of re-inventing everything from scratch. 
Dear Frederic,
As one of the software developers involved with the COVCELL project, Matthew has asked me to reply to your posting.
Firstly, Network EducationWare is implemented in Java, so there are integration issues with Moodle. COVCELL plans at this stage to use the software developed by the Red5 open source project to provide audio and video-conferencing functionality. Red5 can "receive video/audio/data from a flash client and either save or rebroadcast that content" and is also written in Java, which means that an external Red5 server would be required to use the A/V-chat, but we will specifically be implementing Moodle modules that will connect to and use this server.
Secondly, we certainly do not intend to reinvent the wheel, but will be leveraging functionality provided by already existing open source projects (e.g. Jabber and Red5). Our goal is to make the modules as easy to use as possible from within Moodle. Adapting the NEW software -- which in itself is an isolated, package solution -- is not really feasible.
That being said and done, there is absolutely no reason why one shouldn't use NEW as an external tool in the meanwhile. We hope that the A/V-conferencing software developed by COVCELL will be an attractive alternative for Moodle users, albeit in 17 months time (on completion of phase III as per our roadmap).
Best regards,
Heinz.
As one of the software developers involved with the COVCELL project, Matthew has asked me to reply to your posting.
Firstly, Network EducationWare is implemented in Java, so there are integration issues with Moodle. COVCELL plans at this stage to use the software developed by the Red5 open source project to provide audio and video-conferencing functionality. Red5 can "receive video/audio/data from a flash client and either save or rebroadcast that content" and is also written in Java, which means that an external Red5 server would be required to use the A/V-chat, but we will specifically be implementing Moodle modules that will connect to and use this server.
Secondly, we certainly do not intend to reinvent the wheel, but will be leveraging functionality provided by already existing open source projects (e.g. Jabber and Red5). Our goal is to make the modules as easy to use as possible from within Moodle. Adapting the NEW software -- which in itself is an isolated, package solution -- is not really feasible.
That being said and done, there is absolutely no reason why one shouldn't use NEW as an external tool in the meanwhile. We hope that the A/V-conferencing software developed by COVCELL will be an attractive alternative for Moodle users, albeit in 17 months time (on completion of phase III as per our roadmap).
Best regards,
Heinz.
Heinz,
Forgive me if I breach protocol group conversations. I am new to the Moodle community. I took the chance to revieww the COVCell Project. One of the things that I have been looking for was the ability for a supervisor (dean of school) to be able to "visit" online audio classes (both to review the performance of the teacher, where the supervisor participation would not be visible to teachers, and also to show solidarity for the student, where the supervisor can make their presence publically known).
I don't know if this is outside of the scope of your project, but if there is the opportunity to include this capability, I think it would be very useful.
As a base model, I am thinking of a observation capabilities that supervisors have callcenters. If my comments aren't clear, please let me know and I can try to explain further. Thank you!
Let me know,
Ryan
Hi Ryan,
We are very pleased to get such input into specific set-up or needs in each of our development areas (though of course we cannot promise in advance how it will be developed). We have a special forum for the COVCELL project at:
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/view.php?id=5368
and you would be very welcome to explain in a bit more detail what requirements you have - it would probably be best in the thread on Audio-Video Conferencing and Chat:
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=41196
Thanks for the interest!
Matthew.
We are very pleased to get such input into specific set-up or needs in each of our development areas (though of course we cannot promise in advance how it will be developed). We have a special forum for the COVCELL project at:
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/view.php?id=5368
and you would be very welcome to explain in a bit more detail what requirements you have - it would probably be best in the thread on Audio-Video Conferencing and Chat:
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=41196
Thanks for the interest!
Matthew.
Hi Ryan,
Welcome to the Moodle World! You haven't breached any conventions in posting.
Technically I'm sure what you ask is possible via COVCELL or something else even if you have to pay for someone to program it for you. However, I think there is an ethical argument here, I would be worried about someone being able to 'visit' my tutoring without me knowing, a short teaching session can be a bad sample of someone's teaching, you need them to explain what they were doing. Far better to warn them you are coming.
I would defend your right to visit when you want, its just the secrecy I don't like. I think it could be justified in the case of a failing teacher but with anyone who seems to be doing average or better, you want them onside and I would be very defensive if you were judging my teaching using this technique. You mention solidarity for the student, what about some solidarity for the teacher?
Just some thoughts in the spirit of discussion from which we all learn, interested in your response.
Rich
Welcome to the Moodle World! You haven't breached any conventions in posting.
Technically I'm sure what you ask is possible via COVCELL or something else even if you have to pay for someone to program it for you. However, I think there is an ethical argument here, I would be worried about someone being able to 'visit' my tutoring without me knowing, a short teaching session can be a bad sample of someone's teaching, you need them to explain what they were doing. Far better to warn them you are coming.
I would defend your right to visit when you want, its just the secrecy I don't like. I think it could be justified in the case of a failing teacher but with anyone who seems to be doing average or better, you want them onside and I would be very defensive if you were judging my teaching using this technique. You mention solidarity for the student, what about some solidarity for the teacher?
Just some thoughts in the spirit of discussion from which we all learn,
interested in your response.Rich
Richard,
You bring up some excellent points, ones that could be debated for the rest of time, without necesarily coming to an objective resolution. I think from a philosophical perspective, there is one major question that should be considered before the subject of ethical right is brought into the conversation.
Honestly, why is someone (for example) reviewing someone's teaching session?
My answer to that would be, to make sure that the teachers/instructors/tutors etc. are teaching the class in a consistent manner. This doesn't make as much sense in a university environment where the teachers are designing their own custom curriculums. Obviously, they are the best ones to know how to communicate what they want. But, when a teacher/instructor/tutor is teaching a standardized curriculum, they key is standardization. So, making sure that the teacher follows that standardized curriculum is important.
I can tell you from personal experience, that people have a propensity to act very differently when they know they are being reviewed. This isn't true for everyone, but it is true for a a significant portion of the population.
I absolutely agree with you that making a snap judgement on a teacher's ability during a short teaching session would be a horrible way to evaluate someone. That seems to me more something of training the people who are reviewing the supervisors.
Another great point you brought up was you could see the use of monitoring for failing teachers. In the online world, how do you find out if a teacher is failing? If the students aren't signing up for the classes? To me that is too late. And usually it is the teachers that are failing that will change their behavior when they know they are being watched (unless they are sooooo bad that they just don't know they are bad, I hope that isn't something that happens, even though Murphy's law says it will, unfortunately). You can't sit outside a classroom and watch the students faces as they leave (to see if they are disappointed). My observations are that the online community has a much lower level of tolerance for bad experiences. So, the students can just leave and you will probably never know why (for example one reason could be: a failing teacher). The students are paying you to learn. If there are no students, you have no need for teachers. Teachers are trusting you to make sure they have a job that they can enjoy.
I really agree with the concerns. The key is how should the function be used.
Your comments are great! I really hope my response made sense. Thanks!
Ryan
Hi Ryan,
You're dead right, we could kick this one around forever but I thought another posting was worth it to discuss my direct experience of this situation.
But, when a teacher/instructor/tutor is teaching a standardized curriculum, they key is standardization.
I have direct experience of this postion. I used to work as a tutor manager at the Open University UK, this differs from all the other UK Unis I've worked at in that tutors are working to a standard curriculum. I was responsible for Quality Assurance of my tutors and I had 4 main measures of this:
1] Information how long it took them to return marking and the marks their students were getting.
2] Random picks of their feedback on students scripts
3] Visits (OU has some face to face teaching but not much and it varies course to course) which tutors were warned about. There were also e-Visits of forums for courses without any face to face teaching for which tutors got warning.
4] Student complaints.
So to your question:
In the online world, how do you find out if a teacher is failing? If the students aren't signing up for the classes? To me that is too late.
My answer is that in my experience you could see the problems appearing from 1, 2 and 4 without having to make unnanounced visits (and a problem tutor was usually ringing alarm bells on 2 or more of these measures). With announced visits you could also pick up tutors who weren't doing the job correctly, not only by watching them do the job (they could have made special effort that day) but by watching their students, if they acted surprised at getting handouts that they didn't usually get (presumeably because I was around) that would get my attention and a disheartened group not interacting with the tutor well would also ring alarm bells. Also you discuss the curriculum with the tutor afterwards and by asking them how the rest of teaching was going you get a fairly good measure of if they were covering the curriculum properly.
My wider point is that you don't want to alienate tutors who are good, you pay for their time but you earn their respect and I have found if people are doing a good job and they respect you as a manger everyone wins. I had one tutor who was a professor in his day job (most OU tutors are part time) who started working for the OU when I was in nappies. It was very tricky being put in the manager role with him.
So, making sure that the teacher follows that standardized curriculum is important.
The OU system provides students with books, assignments, CDROMs but it was left to the tutor to plan the tutorials. I found tutors doing some remarkably clever things in tutorials and forums and they really got a lot of pleasure from taking ownership of this part of the course. So I would agree with the caveat that allowing them to work out the 'how' of delivering the tutorials/forums in the course engaged them and gave them a sense of ownership. I would never have wanted to give them tutorial plans to follow.
My observations are that the online community has a much lower level of tolerance for bad experiences. So, the students can just leave and you will probably never know why (for example one reason could be: a failing teacher).
but its only one of the reasons. I had a great case with an excellent tutor, he delivered exactly the same course to 2 sets of students totally online. Using exactly the same materials and message postings he ended up with one group posting almost no messages and dropping out of the course left right and centre (this was an introductory course with a high dropout) but his other course was so busy, active and supportive he had trouble keeping up with the discussion. Complex group dynamics between students are very important online.
Having said all that you could say that (2) is a random pick of marking and that is intrusive. I also appreciate that OU tutors are generally wonderful, I think a lot of them would do it for nothing which may allow a different approach than your average set of teachers/lecturers.
Maybe my origonal use of 'unethical' was too much, on reflection I still wouldn't do it but I'd argue that it wasn't the way to get the best out of your tutors.
sorry its long, its been an interesting ramble around a topic I haven't thought of for a while and also a wistful reminder of the fun I had working with some wonderful teachers at the OU.
Rich,
Great comments. I like the tactics you suggest. I would like to think about them a bit more. I still have the instinct based on my experience that having the ability to monitor "silently" is a good thing, but should be used with a significant amount of caution so that you can retain talented teachers. I will spend some more time thinking about your suggestions.
But I love the fact that we have the chance to discuss these types of things in a way that we never would have (you being in the UK and me being in Costa Rica), without the Moodle forum.
Thanks again Rich.
Ryan
monitor "silently" is a good thing? No, it is wrong, very wrong and I think it is in most countries even against the law. Why not use the power of the community in your courses? Form groups of students and teachers and let them evaluate the on going program? They can use the tools built in Moodle: poll, forum, questionnaire, form, survey and show the teachers (and students ) their proposals for improvement.
I just spoke with Rod Deter of Authorgen... they might have what you're looking for
authorgen.com the live product... let me know what you find. I won't be able to check it out til next week. They don't yet have desktop sharing, but the whiteboard/synch/audio portion is much cheaper than the competition. There's a 15 day demo.
d.i.
authorgen.com the live product... let me know what you find. I won't be able to check it out til next week. They don't yet have desktop sharing, but the whiteboard/synch/audio portion is much cheaper than the competition. There's a 15 day demo.
d.i.