Would it be painfully difficult to place the grades and rating systems on the wiki mod?
Thanks so much,
Tom
Hi!
I would like to support Tom's query?
WP1
I would like to support Tom's query?
WP1
In the early days of the wiki-module we had some discussions about this, but couldn't find a proper way to do it if I remember this right
Edit: here's the discussion
Edit: here's the discussion
Just because it felt like a living document type thing?
I thought about that idea. Here's one solution. Attach a potential grade to each version of the first page of the Student wiki.
The gradebook grabs the most recent grade.
What do you think, Koen?
I thought about that idea. Here's one solution. Attach a potential grade to each version of the first page of the Student wiki.
The gradebook grabs the most recent grade.
What do you think, Koen?
Not clear to me Tom 
What abouth the other pages (linked ones)? If a student has a good first page and a bad linked page, then rewords the linked page but doesn't change the first page (how does that sound )
Is it clear that your suggestion is not clear to me or does this clarify I understand the way you see it ?
Boy, my sentences sure were unclear! Rocks in the mouth... sorry.
Why not grade a wiki as a whole? Even if it has several pages. We can think of it as a discrete project -- big or small.
I like the suggestion from Lars in the previous discussion to give the same grade to everyone in the collaborative group. This would be the content grade. I guess that I imagined a group wiki would have a follow-up self-assessment journal component (student reflects on contributions and I agree or disagree), separate from the wiki itself, that would reflect the process grade.
But, mostly, I see myself using the student wiki -- and I would love to be able to grade it.
Why not grade a wiki as a whole? Even if it has several pages. We can think of it as a discrete project -- big or small.
I like the suggestion from Lars in the previous discussion to give the same grade to everyone in the collaborative group. This would be the content grade. I guess that I imagined a group wiki would have a follow-up self-assessment journal component (student reflects on contributions and I agree or disagree), separate from the wiki itself, that would reflect the process grade.
But, mostly, I see myself using the student wiki -- and I would love to be able to grade it.
ok, I am mathematitian, so I think relatively: If You rate eatch change. then sum up rates of last changes (can be done for eatch individual separately) and divide the max grade according to the proportions of those summed ratings.
As about those ideas that "one page is good, other is bad": maybe the idea of old-fashioned Google PageRank algorithm would help - each pages gets a coeficient-rate for its importance (according to how many referring and referred liks it has. Or to judge about page importance You could do simillary as in workshop - put some deadline for wiki edition. And when it comes, let students rate pages according to criterias. Hei, I like this idea! Just imagine, instead of attaching their individual jobs, they do stuff in wiki collaboratively! And after that they kindof reflect on their work (like in WSh).
So, when summing up students etit-rates, You could multiply them by page importance first.
Even this is collaboration, people usually make different quantities/qualities of work.
Still a count of edits could show each student's activity,
and may be even word count (probably in the final version) .
just don't tell students all the details of mark calcualtion, as they might think of cheating - wiki is too flexible for it ;).
Good idea Jurgis.
How about a rubric for evaluating the Wiki as a hold or each page of a Wiki [connected pages]? This would be similar to the one in the "WorkShop" mod.
I attempted to do a serch on Google for "How to grade a Wiki". Did not come up with much although there were a few good ideas. Maybe I should have used different search terms?
If I get some time, I will try to post to the links I thought were best or summarize the ideas and approches I got back from the search.
WP1
How about a rubric for evaluating the Wiki as a hold or each page of a Wiki [connected pages]? This would be similar to the one in the "WorkShop" mod.
I attempted to do a serch on Google for "How to grade a Wiki". Did not come up with much although there were a few good ideas. Maybe I should have used different search terms?
If I get some time, I will try to post to the links I thought were best or summarize the ideas and approches I got back from the search.
WP1
I'd really like to see a word count for all forum postings... I'm currently looking for the module that does support word count... word count is a very nice way to set base-lines for student input.
Hi Dennis,
I guess that would be a good feature for Forums and Wikis.
WP1
I guess that would be a good feature for Forums and Wikis.
WP1
If you can come to some consensus of how it should be done, I'll be willing to implement it. I'm just at a loss to come up with an idea.
Do you think wikis should (could) have a time limit? That is, a time specified for when the wiki can not be edited any more?
Regardless, I guess grading should be an option on a per wiki basis...
mike
Do you think wikis should (could) have a time limit? That is, a time specified for when the wiki can not be edited any more?
Regardless, I guess grading should be an option on a per wiki basis...
mike
I intend to use wikis for my group assignements in school and I would love a time limit and possibility to grade a wiki (setting the grade as a wiki-grade for each teammember)
cheers, Martijn
Okay. So in this sense, maybe what we need is:
1. Start and stop date for wiki editing.
2. A free text type grading system. Maybe assign a number grade with instructor feedback.
mike
1. Start and stop date for wiki editing.
2. A free text type grading system. Maybe assign a number grade with instructor feedback.
mike
Mike, these are great suggestions. I like the editing window, plus the number grades+instructor feedback. Will the custom scales be available, too?
Thanks,
Tom
(a teacher neck deep in wikis with students, saying: well, I'm not grading these for awhile, let's just work on them and then later submit them as a portfolio...
treading water. 
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Thanks,
Tom
(a teacher neck deep in wikis with students, saying: well, I'm not grading these for awhile, let's just work on them and then later submit them as a portfolio...
I would prefer a set of scales(=rubrics), published at the start, see also the workshop solution of Ray..
- students can use these checklists during their work on the wiki
- teachers can use it for the fair final grading (no secret ordial)
- "counting who did contribute what?" does not work: when they work in teams, it depends of the student who did the login.
- also add a page where you ask the students to grade eachother on different scales
- and use some correction on the results to prevent that some students bias the results by coalitions..
see literature:
http://www.aspher.org/D_services/peer/Peer.htm
Did anything ever come of this discussion? I would also be in favor of some sort of grading system for the wiki module, as well as a time limit/due date.
I use wikis for group projects and would be interested in having my grade for the wiki appear in the grade record of each member of the group.
Even better would be to allow students to peer-grade each other's contribution to the group project and have that count as part of the grade. (So the "slacker" in the group would not get as high a grade as members who contributed more work.)
But this might be getting too far away from the original intentions of the wiki module. I don't know...
I use wikis for group projects and would be interested in having my grade for the wiki appear in the grade record of each member of the group.
Even better would be to allow students to peer-grade each other's contribution to the group project and have that count as part of the grade. (So the "slacker" in the group would not get as high a grade as members who contributed more work.)
But this might be getting too far away from the original intentions of the wiki module. I don't know...
I simply use the Wiki for, well, wiki-ing (is that a word?) and an assignment for grading the students for their effort and for general feedback.
Yes, that the way many of us use Wikis; and that setup works quite well.
But it does has drawbacks: assignment expects a file product, you cannot just link to the wiki. And encapsulate the wiki in a readable file has its tricks.
But you have to use two modules for that, and "philosophically", the Wiki is an "activity" and as such should be graded (at least optionally), like other activities. The examples of other non-graded are Books (clearly a "Resource" misplaced) and extra communication tools (Chat, Dialogue, etc) .
Extra functionality as modules proliferate because they are, probably, easier and more direct to develop, and the only way to add content to the main course topics, not as side blocks. These are implementation details, not real pedagogical reasons to have a lot of functionality as "student activities" modules.
Thus, the improvements indicated by Mike Churchward would be really useful for the consistency and usability of Moodle interface as a whole.
- Enrique -
But it does has drawbacks: assignment expects a file product, you cannot just link to the wiki. And encapsulate the wiki in a readable file has its tricks.
But you have to use two modules for that, and "philosophically", the Wiki is an "activity" and as such should be graded (at least optionally), like other activities. The examples of other non-graded are Books (clearly a "Resource" misplaced) and extra communication tools (Chat, Dialogue, etc) .
Extra functionality as modules proliferate because they are, probably, easier and more direct to develop, and the only way to add content to the main course topics, not as side blocks. These are implementation details, not real pedagogical reasons to have a lot of functionality as "student activities" modules.
Thus, the improvements indicated by Mike Churchward would be really useful for the consistency and usability of Moodle interface as a whole.
- Enrique -